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AK sooooooooted - on the bubble
Marty719:
nit itt ;)
Due to the bubble we actually have extra f/e which makes 3b"n even more profitable.
I would LOVE to know wat ur 3b range is in this spot! Sigh whoever coined the phrase "its only ace high."
[ ] happy with a min cash
[x] want to put ourselves in a good spot to tid
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on August 04, 2010, 07:25:55 AM ---
Its 6max and it is live. Folding is the worst of the 3 options pre. If you wana be a nit and focus on stack preservation then flat the 9k, but...its 6m, on the bubble, and we have AKs. We have stated we are not interested in a min-cash - winning this hand pretty much locks up our target cash and puts us in the best situation to tid. In 6m, people can think 10"s are the nuts!
--- End quote ---
Agreed. But this is a very player dependent situation. In fact, with a different player I wouldn"t have thought too long at all about calling the shove.
In this case:
* Is she bluffing? I"d say there"s an almost 0% chance of that being the case in this instance.
* Is she making this move, in this situation, with anything less than QQ, KK or AA? I don"t think so (maybe AK...)
* So does she ever turn over TT or JJ here? I"d say no.
--- Quote ---I genuinely do not understand how 3b/get it in can"t be the best option! If effective stacks were deeper then things change, but she has just over 30x...
--- End quote ---
I thought I was in a good spot until she shoved. My plan was to call a shove, but like I said, my reads told to me reassess.
I"d have loved to have "known" what the tells were telling me before I re-raised her, but they were only shown when it was back to her and she made the all-in move and then after that when I sat there and had a think.
If I know 100% she has QQ, then I"m calling. But from what I now "know", that"s right at the bottom of her range - and more unlikely than KK or AA.
I"ve only ever made "big" decisions like this a handful of times in tournaments. The consensus seems to be that I shouldn"t look at a particular hand in isolation, and against a lot of people a lot of the time, my AK is good here or I"m racing.
Mikeyboy9361:
So do we take it that you laid it down. ;)
kinboshi:
noble1:
ok u seem to me to want to dismiss reads,stacks,tempo and the game flow at the time and get jiggy with AKs but then fold to a 4bet?
I dont doubt your reads on this player pre were pretty much spot on, if you suspect someone to folding AQ or medium pairs to a active 3bettor then when they are 30bb effective i"d anticipate them to tighten up before raising again with u behind to act. Now in your situation the a 20bb limper uttg1 is raised by Mrs Tight [which to me narrows her range moreso than if it had been a open raise]
So what range do we put her on? TT JJ QQ KK AA AK AQ ?? agree/disagree ??
There is 18300 in the pot and the action is on u , if u choose to 3bet u think she would fold TT JJ AQ [24combo"s] and her 4bet range is QQ KK AK [21 combo"s]
AdKd - 42% equity
QQ+,AcKc,AhKh,AsKs,AcKh,AcKs,AhKc,AhKs,AsKc,AsKh - 58.096%
So why Dan if u had thought pre-flop how she reacts with her range before u acted, why risk 27000 [ish as u say] to win 18000 ??? she is only folding to a 3bet 55% of the time , hence the ""theres loads of Fold equity malarkey"" , there is not enough FE to make this profitable... Something when especially live that u could of figured out beforehand imho...
edit - also it gets interesting if u thought about what range the limper has given your read preflop as possibly strong , then what did u plan to do after 3betting if the limper pushed and Mrs Tight called into your thinking preflop...
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