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APAt Has lost it
coprey:
I have been surprised by the standard of play of some players, but I am extremely happy to welcome these players to my table. If I get raised all in by a player with KQ when I hold AA I am very happy even if the flop comes KxQ then turn K, ill not mention any names. Last night I flop trips raise, am reraised, I re-reraise allin and am called by a player holding a pair of 7"s to win a massive pot, again i"ll mention no names. I also came across some excellent players, so it pays to keep your wits about you and concentrate on who is doing what. This is how Phil Hellmuth has won so many bangles. Besides all this I have found the games to be very good natured and friendly, well done APAT.
RioRodent:
Since it is APAT's aim to provide Good Value, Well Structured tournaments for it"s members I think there are a couple of things that should be considered...
Good Value does not necessarily mean cheap to enter.
Well Structured does not necessarily mean more chips and/or longer clocks.
I"m afraid I"m probably one of those being refferred to as making loose calls and generally bad plays in these APAT online tournaments... Not because I"m a bad player, but because I just can"t get excited about a $10 tournament - that is less than a fiver!!
Add to the [too] low buy-in the awful BlSq structure, without antes, and then 5000 chips and a 15 min clock and you end up with a 6 hour tournament where the winner only gets $500 - $600.
I guess, if I"m honest, the only reason I enter these is because the buy-in is so low... not because I expect to win or even get any return on my time and money... and certainly not because I see it as a "Good Value, Well Structured" tournament.
I know there are those who will say that it"s not all about the money... but the title and the medals and the ranking points and that"s all very comendable for those that actually believe that. But just because we are amateurs doesn"t mean that the time and money are not important to us... they certainly are to me.
Just my humble opinions.
8)
PS. Please lets have less chips (3000) for the satellites!
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: RioRodent on November 09, 2007, 13:32:10 PM ---
... you end up with a 6 hour tournament where the winner only gets $500 - $600.
...
--- End quote ---
It also depends on your perspective on whether the word "only" belongs in that statement.
$500 - $600 for 6 hours work, so around £40 - £50 per hour.
Based on a 35 hour week, as a wage that would put you on an annual income of around £75k to £90k a year.
The majority of everybody I know would be more than happy with that kind of level.
I would say "good value" means cheap to enter for how "well structured" the tournament is.
If "well structured" doesn"t mean more chips and longer clocks what does it mean?
(you don"t need to mention antes - I"ve already got that and I agree, but what else?)
Shy Talk:
Must admit that I get frustrated with blue square, not from a connection point of view as I don"t appear to have much trouble with that, but from a "bad beat" perspective. I seem to constantly lose with much the best hand (although as someone has previously said, I may be on a bad run - but it"s lasting a long time :"()
I"ll still play though because I know you get exactly the same playing live - I went out 149th in Walsall with KK against 10d Qd all-in and lost to a flush!!!! - that"s poker!! - and also why we play it!!
;D
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on November 09, 2007, 13:59:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: RioRodent on November 09, 2007, 13:32:10 PM ---
... you end up with a 6 hour tournament where the winner only gets $500 - $600.
...
--- End quote ---
It also depends on your perspective on whether the word "only" belongs in that statement.
$500 - $600 for 6 hours work, so around £40 - £50 per hour.
Based on a 35 hour week, as a wage that would put you on an annual income of around £75k to £90k a year.
The majority of everybody I know would be more than happy with that kind of level.
I would say "good value" means cheap to enter for how "well structured" the tournament is.
If "well structured" doesn"t mean more chips and longer clocks what does it mean?
(you don"t need to mention antes - I"ve already got that and I agree, but what else?)
--- End quote ---
Jon, I agree with everything you say but there is another element to "Structure" and that is the Blind Levels...it"s all very well having more time and chips but if the leaps in the blind structure are huge, it turns into a shove-fest in no time.
I don"t know that the BSq levels are good or bad..but there is a 3rd element over and above the two you mention.
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