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How do we maximise value here?
AMRN:
Had this hand in the TGF Vegas Team comp last night, and had some debate with one of my team members on the rail about how best to maximise value. We agreed to disagree.... thought I would post it up here for debate.
Background to the hand...
- This is the final table of a 204 runner tourney (brag), where team points increase according to a pretty significant ladder
- Mouth has VPIP of 42% and PFR of 22%. He has preflop 3-bet stat of 5.2%, and a Won When Seen Flop stat in excess of 40%
- He has repeatedly folded to my LP steals stating that he doesn"t want to get involved with me
- From the button, I have recently 3-bet the same player"s CO preflop raise 3 orbits in a row, and Mouth has made comments about me getting jiggy
- He and I are chip leaders at the table
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SebastianCatx (BB): 40,037.10
sjrbs (UTG): 120,094.02
kzz01 (UTG+1): 33,401.36
PlazaPPP (MP): 41,244.80
BigBills2011 (MP+1): 68,400.56
mouth667 (MP+2): 131,574.05
typ1calx (LP): 21,994.10
doddgy12345 (CO): 42,033.49
MKKOSH14 (BTN): 47,528.62
Torterra (SB): 65,691.90
Torterra posts ante 200.00, SebastianCatx posts ante 200.00, sjrbs posts ante 200.00, kzz01 posts ante 200.00, PlazaPPP posts ante 200.00, BigBills2011 posts ante 200.00, mouth667 posts ante 200.00, typ1calx posts ante 200.00, doddgy12345 posts ante 200.00, MKKOSH14 posts ante 200.00, Torterra posts SB 1,000.00, SebastianCatx posts BB 2,000.00
Pre Flop: (5000.00) sjrbs has kc ks
sjrbs raises to 4,500.00, fold, fold, fold, mouth667 raises to 10,000.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, sjrbs raises to 25,500.00, mouth667 calls 15,500.00
Flop: (56000.00, 2 players) kd qd :2s:
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So, now what? Suggest what line you take here, and your reasons why. Also interested in your plan for the rest of the hand depdendant on how Mouth responds to your action.....
Marty719:
Bet 28k. Still gives illusion of fold equity. Dnt mind a c/r if villain is super laggy but thrs sum bad turn cards for us and for villain.
Villain thinks we r aggro and we will always bet our air here.
GarethC:
His range is so weak after this flop, he probably has small/medium pairs or something like AQ/AJ the vast majority of the time - so weak lead for thin value and to induce. Bet like 18 - 20k and get the rest in at the next available opportunity. Wouldn"t be surprised if he just folded but betting is way better than checking - just hope he gets frisky with something random or decides to peel one off with some pair.
noble1:
if your 3bet % on him is correct then thats fairly average, all reads/feel based as to how much of his 3bet range calls a 4bet, as you hold KK plus one on the board and a Queen of diamond as well then it pretty much would weigh his range more to JJ QQ AA and i wouldn"t be overly concerned about him holding a flush draw [AJdd and would he flat a 4bet with AJdd anyhows ?]
Its either cbet 1/2 pot ish or check the flop for me, if he reraises the cbet then obv get it all in, if he bets out to your check then just call and then check turn, if he checks behind then i would also check the river to him...I would not check raise flop as this may allow him to get away from AA.. obv if he fires out again on turn then you get your stack in...
edit - just to add if he flats the cbet then check turn and river , give him a chance to bluff or try to make him feel his pair of aces are ahead...
jbworldwide:
I would lead here as well, just from that action his hand feels like AK or QQ, either way you are probably going to stack him with these cards.
I would lead the flop about 30k which feels like a good sized cont bet. If he has it he will prob raise to defend against a flush, he may even jam a flush draw. You are trying to induce a jam here with a 30k bet he can"t really call into an 80k pot if he has something he will jam. Also by leading out here you do disguise your hand to a certain degree as a flopped set will be checked a lot of the time to induce a bluff.
Don"t rely on someone else to build the pot for you.
If he flats and the turn is a dud, all in.
If he flats and turn us diamond, I don"t think I"m folding here, if he does gave 2 diamonds, AJ, A10 or even J10 then well fished sir!
Either way it"s all going in on the turn.
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