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How do we maximise value here?
AJDUK:
--- Quote from: mouth146 on October 13, 2010, 05:07:35 AM ---
flop came king high and he put in what looked like a ridiculously small bet, which based on his previous play, looked like he wanted me there. a bigger bet and i probably would have tried a hero move, so i think i got off quite lightly.
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I"ll come clean as the railer. ^^^ is exactly why I felt the bet was too small. Steve had not put a bet in like this whilst I had been watching. And she didn"t snap fold it was a semi tank fold. I was convinced that putting a standard half pot bet in would do better in the long run as Steve"s range could be anything at that point, given the history.
The slow fold seemed like the smell of a rat at the time and I thought Steve missed out on some chips.
Steve argued that with the stack & pot sizes, villain had no fold equity if she shoves OTT of a half pot bet and hence more likely to fold to the half pot bet. I disagreed because if Steve did bet half pot and get shoved on, his stack would still put him in 3rd place if he folds. He wouldn"t be crippled. There is FE even if the numbers don"t say there is.
It was just my 2p at the time and I"m no expert. Plus Steve is a much better player than me, so felt a bit bad questioning his line whilst the game was still playing out. I"m glad Steve posted this because it seems there is support for both our POV"s and that"s why we all love this game!!
PS - a good time after the fact, but whilst he was still playing, Steve said he thought that on reflection checking was the most +EV move in the long run. I said I would never check that flop as the turn could ruin everything if it gets checked behind. That"s when I suggested we shut up about it and let him concentrate on the rest of the FT!!!!
WP Steve GG BCPC FTW ;D
AMRN:
--- Quote from: AJDUK on October 13, 2010, 17:54:25 PM ---
It was just my 2p at the time and I"m no expert. Plus Steve is a much better player than me, so felt a bit bad questioning his line whilst the game was still playing out. I"m glad Steve posted this because it seems there is support for both our POV"s and that"s why we all love this game!!
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LOL Andy - I wish!!
And as for debating whilst still playing..... I always play better then I know someone is actively watching, so usually benefit from a railer..... guess it stops me making really stupid plays, like ridiculously small donk bets, oh wait....
:D
mouth146:
The turn was obviously going to be a ten.
followed by a K on river GG me.
SirPercival:
--- Quote from: mouth146 on October 12, 2010, 20:16:57 PM ---
hello boys :)
I was notified by a friend that this hand was being discussed so thought i"d pop along and have a look. Unfortunately all this talk of VPIP IDO 3bet and more has left me confused and disorientated, so much so it took me a while to remember what I had in this particular hand.
AS George pointed out, I am indeed a woman, and obviously I therefore only really play the top ten starting hands, with which I limp call every raise pre, then proceed to check call all bets on flop, turn and river. without a second thought as to whether I may be ahead or behind. Top pair FTW!
In this particular hand I had actually found myself with a red and black ace. Now, call me tight as a drum (a washing machine drum) but I really only like to get involved with pretty hands, such as two red aces or even two black ones, I"m all for equality. But a red and a black one - it just didn"t sit well with me.
However, the flop came and of course the cards on it were irellevant, as everyone knows aces can"t be beaten, so i prepared to flat call of the bets until the river, when obviuosly I would win. Then the most awful thing happened!
The glass of neat gin I was drinking slipped out of my hand (I always get slightly sweaty palms during a final table) and fell onto the computer desk: the glass smashed and gin went everywhere, including all over my mouse mat, and as I went to call, the mouse slipped and accidentally clicked the fold button!
GUtted doesn"t even begin to cover it. Obv I would have won and in turn won the whole comp, but unfortunately this incident put me on tilt so much I went allin the next hand with KK which was called by AJ, who hit a Jack on the flop, and of course an obligatory jack on the river. MBN.
NOte to self - keep gin well away from PC in future. Oh and don"t come on forums where you haven"t got a clue what they"re on about either.
Anyone who has shares in a gin factory, or who understands what this thread is about feel free to get in touch via my blog - http://gob****eonlegs.blogspot.com/
kisses xx
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Welcome to APAT Caroline, please post more as this made me PMSL.
My whole team were railing you for quite some time on Monday but I can"t say who we are because Steve and Andy are very confused by the whole thing. ;D
AMRN:
--- Quote from: SirPerceval on October 14, 2010, 10:46:12 AM ---
My whole team were railing you for quite some time on Monday but I can"t say who we are because Steve and Andy are very confused by the whole thing. ;D
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Confusion - a mistake that results from taking one thing to be another
Actually not "very confused by the whole thing" at all.... just don"t know your alias or team name. This is due to the fact that you declined to tell us, not because we are in any way confused. I"m guessing that your decision to keep details from us is borne from your obvious fear that we will target you and pillage your stacks mercilessly.
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