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Critics: Anything I did wrong please?
kinboshi:
Still need convincing that re-raising against a very tight player raising in this situation from EP is the optimum play.
GarethC:
I don"t think anyone said that. They said it was better than calling.
Fatcatstu:
This is pub poker, i am really not surprised that he turns up with KJ.
As it is, in that position i re raise here and take it from there.
Just cause i likes raising.
Marty719:
--- Quote from: kinboshi on October 25, 2010, 17:47:22 PM ---
If he is raising from an EP and is uber-tight, what range do you put him on? What is the likelihood that he"ll 4-bet (based on this range we ascribe to him)? What will we do if he 4-bets? What percentage of the time does he need to fold to our 3-bet in order to make it a profitable play? If he flat calls, what does that say about his range? On a dry board (not the actual one in the OP) how often do you lead out? What do you do when he re-raises? What about if he flat calls?
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Yea I def do not think 3b is optimal. I just think it is better than flatting. If he raises from EP, I"d say an uber tight player usually has 99+, AQs+. A10dd only has 33% against this range, and the fact that we are oop makes this an even easier fold. If it is from later position, it prob changes to 77+, A10s+ AJo+, KQs. Even against this we only have 36% and are oop so a fold is still good, but if we 3b, we can assume he 4b"s QQ+ AKo, flats 1010-JJ+AQs, and folds the rest. We win a decent % of the time against his flatting range by c/betting (our hand looks super strong 3b"n a rock oop).
Even if we widen his range, it really doesnt change an uber tight players 4b range, and with the betting lead, we do well against all the rest of his range. By flatting, I do not really see how we possibly do well against any of his range. The c/bet has pretty much become compulsory, and is pretty hard for us to defend against vs this type of player. We also do not feel comfortable when we hit the flop. If we were on the button, flatting becomes more viable, but oop our hand is a nightmare to play.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on October 26, 2010, 10:32:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: kinboshi on October 25, 2010, 17:47:22 PM ---
If he is raising from an EP and is uber-tight, what range do you put him on? What is the likelihood that he"ll 4-bet (based on this range we ascribe to him)? What will we do if he 4-bets? What percentage of the time does he need to fold to our 3-bet in order to make it a profitable play? If he flat calls, what does that say about his range? On a dry board (not the actual one in the OP) how often do you lead out? What do you do when he re-raises? What about if he flat calls?
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Yea I def do not think 3b is optimal. I just think it is better than flatting. If he raises from EP, I"d say an uber tight player usually has 99+, AQs+. A10dd only has 33% against this range, and the fact that we are oop makes this an even easier fold. If it is from later position, it prob changes to 77+, A10s+ AJo+, KQs. Even against this we only have 36% and are oop so a fold is still good, but if we 3b, we can assume he 4b"s QQ+ AKo, flats 1010-JJ+AQs, and folds the rest. We win a decent % of the time against his flatting range by c/betting (our hand looks super strong 3b"n a rock oop).
Even if we widen his range, it really doesnt change an uber tight players 4b range, and with the betting lead, we do well against all the rest of his range. By flatting, I do not really see how we possibly do well against any of his range. The c/bet has pretty much become compulsory, and is pretty hard for us to defend against vs this type of player. We also do not feel comfortable when we hit the flop. If we were on the button, flatting becomes more viable, but oop our hand is a nightmare to play.
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Nice post, Puts the case for 3 betting very well.
Have we established yet in this thread, what is raisers position? ??? ???
Assuming its a LP raise and his range is 77+, A10s+ AJo+, KQs....
What are reasonable ranges for calling and 3 betting?
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