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WYoung83:
 When its folded to me in cash games i raise about 90% of buttons, and you actually dont mind if they defend.
As for shoz boys hand, it is trash so i either fold or 3 bet, but my 3 bet would be around $4.50-5.50. I also think the
c- bet on flop is rather small, makes it easier for him to float with lots of hands, and its harder to tell weather he has flush draw or air with a smallish cbet.
Turn is the street that is hardest to play imo. I defently wouldnt barallel, but i hate check calling. So thats one reason why i dont win in cash games.

PS. good to see hands on this thread, because its been sooooo dead recently.

noble1:
meh i"m not a huge fan of pot control oop, lets face it, it is impossible to pot control oop if the villain in position decides to shove over bet the turn for example :)..
i think atm that its a line of play that can get you into some really awkward spots because so many players are familiar with the concept. if shoz checked because he had a read that villain tended to bluff the turn when checked to, or villain re-raised ip facing turn bets alot then i"d say its a good option to check call the turn..
i guess what i"m trying to point out is that without reads it is tough to say such and such a line is great, a 3barrel bluff could well be the most profitable line if villain has shown tendencies to fold to multi barrels [assuming shoz had missed the flop]...
where does it say in the poker police manual that we should pot control our medium strength hands? is there any advantages to betting the turn? if villain makes mistakes calling down flush draws if bet into but checks behind if we check, then betting the turn for value is surely the best line? its a pretty dry"ish texture there is plenty of worse hands that can call the turn is there not?
if making as much profit as possible is the goal after hitting our hand, then on this texture i cannot see why betting the turn would not be ok... shoz has the initiative so by betting the turn we may even get some better hands to fold !!!! :) we can get value from any draws by betting this turn card, if the plan was to check call the turn then why not bet it? keep the initiative going even on the river is an option, if say villain has a pair of jacks or a flush draw, maybe even 45 56 and we had reads that he would never try to bluff the turn or bet the river unimproved then there is another argument for betting the turn !!!!
meh its late[early] and i"m cream cracker"ed , so enough of the random thoughts, what do you reckon?

just another thought :) if we bet the turn and villain re-raises mostly when he"s strong along with that we had a read that he will not be bluffing alot when he does so, this means we probably weren't going to win anyway... so all we lose is our turn bet, which we would of lost anyway cos we was planning to check call the turn and maybe the river, lol did i explain my thoughts ok there :)  meh it makes sense to me when i read through it again lol, clear as mud as they say ;D

JamieCarra:
Not a fan of the 3b.  You definitely have to be restealing vs button opens a decent % of the time but I don"t think Q6s is the right sort of hand to be doing it with,  would much prepare to be bluffing with some of my suited aces / high card combos that have more blockers and can flop better.

Also, 3b size is way too small, I"ll generally just 3b close to full pot when this deep, especially oop.

Marty719:

--- Quote from: Pitchie on January 13, 2011, 19:11:01 PM ---
Is there anyone else that thinks raising 60% of button"s isn"t that aggressive?

I just can"t help think that 80% ish is more in the region of an aggressive button. I"m not taking anything away from your play as you assessed he was being aggressive in your opinion and you acted on it accordingly. However, I"m not sure I"d be 3 betting a 60% button with Q6os. I think I"d personally be looking for something that plays a bit better should I get called (Q10s, J10s, KQ, etc).

As the hand plays though, I"d just reiterate what everyone else has said. 3b higher pre. Like the pot control on turn and river with the marginal holding.

Paul.

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60% isnt the highest raise button stat ever, but it is high enough for us to know villain opens light from this position and we can exploit this by widening our 3b range.

As far as b/f turn, I don"t think its a bad line at all, and think its pretty close between b/f and c/c (esp seeing ppl dnt make many moves with draws on the turn in NLH), but I just lean towards c/c as we allow villain to continue with his floats and fire IP with his draws.  Dnt think either is a mistake in a vacuum tho.

deanp27:

--- Quote from: JamieCarra on January 14, 2011, 06:04:46 AM ---
Not a fan of the 3b.  You definitely have to be restealing vs button opens a decent % of the time but I don"t think Q6s is the right sort of hand to be doing it with,  would much prepare to be bluffing with some of my suited aces / high card combos that have more blockers and can flop better.

Also, 3b size is way too small, I"ll generally just 3b close to full pot when this deep, especially oop.

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was just gonna post this, crap hand to 3bet with imo

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