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KK - Part III
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on December 18, 2007, 14:27:18 PM ---
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Hero raises to 175.
That"s probably fairly standard? Anyone play that differently here?
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Nothing wrong with that, I might sometimes limp from early position to disguise the strength of the hand, but generally a standard raise seems right.
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on December 18, 2007, 14:27:18 PM ---
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Someone in middle position calls. Then the cut-off re-raises to 500 to play.
Our hero then re-raises to 1,500.
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I"d flat call.
Without any read on the player you can"t assume that the player either does or doesn"t know what he"s doing.
You hope he"s not re-raising with aces, but he could be reraising with a wide range of hands - nearly all of them you"re ahead preflop.
If the flop contains an ace and he calls or raises a continuation bet then I"d probably end up ditching the kings.
If it doesn"t, then the texture will give you an idea of where to go - a flushing board might be worrying, or his pocket pair hitting a set could be a problem. Basically I would see his response to my continuation bet on the flop and take it from there.
This way you might fold and give some chips away to a mediocre player who has played badly, but that"s better than giving away all your chips to a good player who has played well.
GiMac:
OK lets look at the options here
1. Call - Flop comes Q high, with so much in pot and out of position you have to push and if he has underpair and has tripped up you are fecked, if he has AA you were beat anyway, if he has underpair and missed you dont get paid, if he has AK he should call as he is priced against an underpair and you still risk him hitting A on turn or river. An A comes, you have to make a continuation bet into a 10k pot, to see where you are, so probably 2500 minimum, you have commited 3/4 of your stack and have to pass to a re-raise, so you are pretty well crippled early on.
2. Fold - If with the limited info at hand you put him on AA might fold, although the chances of him having AA when you hold KK are 24.5:1 and you are only going to see it once every 542 hands played.
3. Push - if you push and he has AK, QQ or below, he should be putting you on AA or KK and should pass. If he doesn"t and he has AK you are 72-28 fave, if he has an underpair you are 80-20 fave. If in the unlikely event (See above) that he has AA, then you are virtually priced in anyway.
I think on balance you have to push here. The only reason we are folding here is because it is early in the tournament. Is that really a good enough reason?
At the very worst you run into AA and either go home saying you got cold decked or you dish out a bad beat and he goes home with a bad beat story. A win-win situation if I ever heard one. ;)
kinboshi:
But do you make the 1,500 re-raise in the first place?
hi_am_chris:
would prob make it 2k to play so not much difference, when he reraises to 5k you cant flat call so u gotta decide whether its all in or fold, online when im multitabling im going all in 95 percent + of the time, live it depends on ur read and also depends on ur reason for being in the tournament, i want to win and would find it hard to put it down, if he has aces im off to the bar to moan about my "bad luck". Change the hand to qq or jj and im foldin 95 percent of the time when he reraises to 5 k but at least you find out cheap that u were either far behind or 50 50 at best
kinboshi:
What good does your re-raise do? Does it not just declare your hand to your opponent (as either KK or AA)?
What are you trying to achieve with the re-raise?
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