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KK - Part III

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hi_am_chris:
Another similar hand, some may have read it in  current issue of a poker magazine...

Event full tilt 1000 dollar super monday event

players 30

Stacks Hero 3000 Villain 2970

blinds 10 and 20 with 10 ante

Villain raises to 60

Hero reraises to 288 holding AA

Villain reraises to 894

Hero reraises to 3k and is all in

Villain folds



Villain had kk is this good play by the villain?

Jon MW:
My main point would be - rather than all the raising, reraising, rereraising - isn"t it better to have some play post flop.

It takes 5 cards to make a hand - so having all your chips end up in the middle preflop, when you only know 2 of them can"t often be that sensible a move can it?

kinboshi:

--- Quote from: hi_am_chris on December 29, 2007, 17:27:34 PM ---
Another similar hand, some may have read it in  current issue of a poker magazine...

Event full tilt 1000 dollar super monday event

players 30

Stacks Hero 3000 Villain 2970

blinds 10 and 20 with 10 ante

Villain raises to 60

Hero reraises to 288 holding AA

Villain reraises to 894

Hero reraises to 3k and is all in

Villain folds

Villain had kk is this good play by the villain?

--- End quote ---


The villain"s re-raise pre-flop is a mistake.  It doesn"t give him any more information - instead it just provides the hero with more information.

If the villain had called here, he"d then be able to assess the flop - maybe even pushing all-in on the flop and putting the AA to the test (a push on the flop might suggest a flopped set for example).

When you bet you want a hand better than yours to fold, and a worse hand to call.  Help the opponent make a mistake.  Re-raising pre-flop here with KK helps the opponent make the correct decision.  They"d fold a smaller pocket pair, and come over the top with aces.

hi_am_chris:
And what about the fold? good play or bad play?

kinboshi:
After the raise, and the opponent"s re-raise, then yes - the fold is correct, as I make my opponent"s range AA.

However, I know many people (if not most), disagree with me here and wouldn"t lay down the KK.  The first KK thread that ThinkerJE started was about calling all-in with KK first hand in a deep-stack event.  Most would call.

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