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KK - Part III

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hi_am_chris:
the only reason i ask that was because in the magazine i got it from it said the worst part of the hand was the fold, for the same reason u said about the fourth bet/raise, by reraising to 894 you gained nothing. All you did was find a way to fold kk which it says should never be your goal when you are dealt it. If he calls the flop and it comes three babies and he stacks of his chips it would be better play then making that reraise and folding

kinboshi:

--- Quote from: hi_am_chris on December 30, 2007, 18:26:33 PM ---
the only reason i ask that was because in the magazine i got it from it said the worst part of the hand was the fold, for the same reason u said about the fourth bet/raise, by reraising to 894 you gained nothing. All you did was find a way to fold kk which it says should never be your goal when you are dealt it. If he calls the flop and it comes three babies and he stacks of his chips it would be better play then making that reraise and folding

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Agree with most of that.  I"m not making the re-raise, so I wouldn"t be stuck with making the fold in the first place.  I can"t see how the fold is the big mistake though, surely the raise that puts the player in that situation is the mistake.  Calling the all-in when you think/know you"re behind to AA is merely compounding the error.

hi_am_chris:
i still think i prefer the reraise in the original example but as with all things poker it depends on your image, your opponents image and your own  style. I prefer the reraise to 1500 simply because i dont know when he reraises to 500 what his hand is, he could do that with any pair 77 through to AA or depending on the player it could be weaker hands such as rag ace or two pictures or even a squeeze play with any two cards.

kinboshi:
I hear what you"re saying - but what does the re-raise say to him?  What do you actually get from the raise?

When you bet, you want the other player to make a mistake - i.e. fold when they"re ahead, or call when they"re behind.

If they have TT (for example) and your re-raise gets them to fold, then you"ve helped them to make the right decision.  They"ll fold, and you"ll win a little (not a bad outcome, but not the most you could have made from the hand, probably).

If they have AA, then your re-raise is a mistake in that it either makes you call for your whole stack when you"re a big underdog, or fold with all those extra chips in the pot.

To me, the re-raise doesn"t help you define their hand - but helps them define yours.  That helps them to play "perfect" poker, when you want them to be the one making the mistakes.

Like you said, it definitely helps if you know the other player.  But the situation surrounding this hand is that it"s early doors - so you probably have little or no information on your opponent (unless you have history with them).

kinboshi:
By the way, love the 288 raise by the fella with AA!  Random bet-amounts rule!

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