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KK - Part III
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on January 05, 2008, 20:14:55 PM ---
:D
4th Hand of APAT Scandinavian.
Mid posn raises 80 to 100
SB reraises up to 400
MP calls
Raggy unconnected flop.
SB checks
MP bets all in - approx 3500 into approx 800 pot.
What do you reckon the SB had?
And when will people ever learn?
--- End quote ---
MP had KK, SB had AA.
my problem with this play is - why shove all in post flop?
The blinds are 10-20 and you"re risking 3500 to win 800.
If the SB checked because he missed the flop then a continuation bet will see him off.
If the SB checked to slow play trips for example you"re making his life very easy.
Even if he incorrectly calls your pot or 3/4 pot continuation bets and then happens to hit trips with a medium pair for example - you"ve got unlucky, but you"ve still got enough chips left to fight back and you lost the pot due to his mistake not yours. In the long run this kind of play will benefit you and penalise him.
At the end of the day the average winning hand in holdem is two pair - so unless the tournament situation demands you"re forced to - why risk your tournament life when you only have one pair?
No matter how good a pair it is, it"s still lower than the average you need to win a hand.
hi_am_chris:
Whats the average winning hand when pots go heads up to the flop?
kinboshi:
75o v 82o
UKChamp:
Who was the tourney pro you talked the hand over with Kin?
I like the fact his advice, allbeit more verbose than mine, was vaguely similar!
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: UKChamp on January 07, 2008, 17:14:12 PM ---
Who was the tourney pro you talked the hand over with Kin?
I like the fact his advice, allbeit more verbose than mine, was vaguely similar!
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It was me of course, just pretending it was someone else.
No, it wasn"t - obviously.
It"s a bloke called Lloyd. Don"t know much more about him, other than he knows his stuff with regards to tournament poker. I like the way he thinks about the game and find myself nodding along in agreement with his posts.
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