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Dan Owsten put me in a tricky spot early in APAT Cardiff. Thoughts on this?

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duke3016:
To be honest Dan put most people in a tricky spot early in Cardiff and it had feck all to do with poker.

AMRN:

--- Quote from: Sillbags on June 04, 2011, 19:02:30 PM ---
That must have been a different hand Steve, this was just button vs blinds, you had already passed. I was the guy who got gifted 12k when a woman 3bet shoved for 60bb with  :as: qh  ;D

--- End quote ---


ahh mistaken identity.

And that AQ shove was the most strange and surreal moment of the whole weekend.

smileriraq:
there was a collective look of disbelief from everyone at the table.

BenjiYoungy:
i actually dont think folding JJ pre to the 3bet is that bad of a decision tbh i know its jacks but i mean its going to be thin whether you are going to show that much of a profit, and at this stage of the tournament its a bit thin its worthwhile. As for the 4bet i dont think would ever flat, i would shove if i think Dan is capable of being light here which from personal experience i know he is (lol) I think your underestimating how how it is going to be to play JJ oop vs a competent (plz dont show dan this comment ) good aggro player. Your going to be facing an overcard so often and playing the guessing game oop (not a good time) Once you get this flop how you dont check shove is beyond me if your not going with it on this flop then for the love of god dont flat the 4ball pre! It gets worse too, the turn is pretty much a nut card minus a jack and you check fold?!?! If you thought your hand is good on the flop its still good! but see below !

****** Now this check fold can either be really good or really bad, it totally depends what level you think dan is on and even more importantly what level you think he thinks your on. If he gives you a ton of credit for being able to read hands well and make good call downs then the check fold is ok, if neither of these are true you should get it in because hes going to piling on the pressure (no1 really wants to travel all this way and bust first hand right?) *****

Sillbags:
Interesting points Ben, although I"m not sure I like folding to the 3bet pre vs a likely button steal and a possible light 3bet. Having said that, my other options don"t seem vary appealing either; how about if I were to cold 4bet small to say 1075? Obv folding to a 5bet would be turning effectively turning my hand into a bluff, I think I"m ahead of their ranges at this point, but pretty crushed by a 5bet vs my cold 4betting range. I guess what I"m saying is, is it ever ok to 4bet for value intending to fold to a 5bet?
As played shoving 200bbs pre over a 4bet with JJ seems a little spewy to me, so I guess folding to the 4bet is best.
I"m pretty sure that dan just took me as a random, as we"d never played before, which imo makes the turn more tricky as he would never expect a random to fold an overpair at this point. He"s obv cbetting the flop 100% of the time imo, so would he really fire 2nd and likely 3rd barrel with bluffs that he could 4bet pre with, like AK after me calling on the flop and the turn really changing nothing. Like you said, the turn is a great card for my hand, and dan must know this is likely a great card for my range, so would expect him to shut down with hands like AK as firing a 2nd barrel would be such a large % of his stack, and would prob be committed to follow through on the river.
Fwiw, I like check shoving the turn, but would be lying if I said that the fear of busting that early didnt at least contribute a small part towards my decision making   :-[

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