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QQ in a 5-bet pot in a cash game
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: noble1 on July 06, 2011, 16:45:14 PM ---
hmmm ur pot committed, both call or fold are ok imho...
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I don"t agree that we"re pot committed :o
This deep with our image versus a solid reg I dont think we"re ever priced in and on the rare occasion that we are, its only barely correct to call.
--- Quote from: Marty719 ---
We still have 40% vs QQ+, AK and we are getting a good price.
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We never have 40%, because we hold QQ there are only two further combo"s of QQ possible for villain. Allowing a discount that he may 50% time misinterpret your weak flat and overplay AK, his range could be, best case for us and I really think its generous in this dynamic ....
KK+,QcQd,AhKh,AsKs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKh,AdKs,AhKs
QQ has ~33%
--- Quote from: noble1 ---
fold - in terms of long term profit calling this type of players 5bet shove at these stakes with QQ wont exactly be your bread and butter profits, break even at best if your lucky :)..
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Totally agree with this, especially so 140 BB"s deep and! folding has the added benefit of avoiding super high variance spots that can often be detrimental to our ability to maintain a winning level of play.
Marty719:
I have no problem w/ 3b/folding in this spot, but what do u think our range looks like when we flat/4b? I think our pf actions can affect villains 5b range.
Marty719:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on July 06, 2011, 17:29:50 PM ---
We never have 40%, because we hold QQ there are only two further combo"s of QQ possible for villain. Allowing a discount that he may 50% time misinterpret your weak flat and overplay AK, his range could be, best case for us and I really think its generous in this dynamic ....
KK+,QcQd,AhKh,AsKs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKh,AdKs,AhKs
QQ has ~33%
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We are still getting the right price vs this range;
QhQs
34.19%
KK-AA,QcQd,AhKh,AsKs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKh,AdKs,AhKs
65.81%
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 06, 2011, 17:42:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on July 06, 2011, 17:29:50 PM ---
We never have 40%, because we hold QQ there are only two further combo"s of QQ possible for villain. Allowing a discount that he may 50% time misinterpret your weak flat and overplay AK, his range could be, best case for us and I really think its generous in this dynamic ....
KK+,QcQd,AhKh,AsKs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKh,AdKs,AhKs
QQ has ~33%
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We are still getting the right price vs this range;
QhQs
34.19%
KK-AA,QcQd,AhKh,AsKs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKh,AdKs,AhKs
65.81%
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Marty719:
I have to disagree that it is generous. People at these levels overplay AK in general, and he is more likely to squeeze IP w/ it after a pfr and a flat. He can actually squeeze a little wider in this spot as AMRN"s flat ensure that utg needs a genuine hand to continue. I actually narrowed the original range.
Id say no-one has a large enough sample of these spots to adequately make an assessment from their database, but I think folding Q"s here would be a mistake given our pf actions.
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