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Live Hand - Circus September 2 dayer

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thinsy147:
Not a call I would particularly make but as said previously, he has the opportunity to knock two players out and only cost him 133K, to which he already has 8K in (sb). What was the BB"s stack size? If he was below 133K then you could consider him joining in for value which would make the QT call a good odds gamble for a well chipped player!!

noble1:
First off well done and a big congrats David on final tabling..

Ref - was it a Bad call?

maybe he saw 2 pretty cards and 2/1 and calls..
maybe he read your tank thought as you had something dubious and thus decided to gamble.

if it was me i"d call partly because of the tank and because of risk/award.. all on how everyone else is stack wise and where they would be seated in relation to me.
i have a 31bb approx stack but if i win i KO 2 players ladder up 2 places and increase my stack to approx 50bb, if i lose i will have approx 23bb left. Also if i lose, i only lose those chips to the right, if i win [50bb stack] i maybe able to engineer a totally different FT dynamic.. [all on how the stack sizes are/were seated at the time]

this sort of concept was bought up by gigabet, the gigabet dilemma taking a slight -ev gamble for the future $ev of having the bigger stack.
interesting stuff and a lot of the theory still applies imho..

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4524424&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

anyhoooos ul David in the end, there wasn"t much else you could do...

regards
noble

Mikeyboy9361:
Well played Dave, didn"t realise you had FT"d, great effort.

About the Call. I play in some tournaments where this type of call is made regularly!! And I can see the guys thinking, knock out 2 players and become a big stack, or drop down to 23BB, ideal re stealing and re shoving stack, so still well in the game. Don"t think I would have made it 3rd hand of a FT, but then again.....

Honeybadg:
I think it is a superb call with a view to winning the tournament ... it"s only a bad call if "he" thinks there is some JJ+ out there.

If the hands are:

AK : 35%
77 or underpair : 31%
QTs : 34%

If more likely the case :

A8 : 28%
77 or underpair : 31%
QTs : 41%

Even at the following - no bad value.

JJ : 53%
77 : 19%
QTs : 28%

So flip it round - if you know he had QTs and a big stack - do you shove?

L

WYoung83:
 In the future, perhaps people should construct threads in this section differently. If you had said that you shoved with the 77s, and the SB (getting 2.3-1) goes into the tank, then ask the question what should his calling range here be?

Then i think you will get more honest or fair answers sometimes. Because lots of people are (wrongly) results orianted. Maybe for this particular thread it didnt make much difference. Because i think his calling range here is 66+  AJ+ any suited broadways.

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