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Hand from the team event.
AMRN:
--- Quote from: WYoung83 on October 30, 2011, 00:32:38 AM ---
Cant think of any skills of PH that are expert. But i do love watching him in televised cash games.
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Thread"s gone off track, and funny how often threads turn into Hellmuth bashing threads. Clearly he is not the best cash player around, but his tournament record isn"t too shabby - and as for him getting all his bracelets when the game was unsolved.... he was desperately unlucky to not get at least two bracelets this year. IMO if Phil wasn"t so loud and brash, and didn"t draw the wrong sort of attention to himself, we wouldn"t be having this discussion (again) - we would simply accept that he is a consistently good tournament player.
As for the OP, and despite all the statistical analysis from various contributors, with a stack of ~20x, and in this position and at this stage of the tourney, I still can"t turn down the opportunity of shoving with 99 (and worse).
Mikeyboy9361:
Thanks for getting thread back on track Steve! And as you say, after having read the replys and seen all the stats, I am still quite happy with my play, thanks for all the detailed responses. What amazes me is that you guys can think all this stuff through before making a move, particularly on line! Don"t think I"ll ever get to those levels. :)
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on October 30, 2011, 10:25:04 AM ---
Thanks for getting thread back on track Steve! And as you say, after having read the replys and seen all the stats, I am still quite happy with my play, thanks for all the detailed responses. What amazes me is that you guys can think all this stuff through before making a move, particularly on line! Don"t think I"ll ever get to those levels. :)
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Thats not how it works unfortunately Mike, doing all the sums away from the table is helpful in consolidating your current, in game thought processes and can internalise new understandings which hopefully after time we can intuitively rely on with little effort.
Consider it like this, the work away from the tables, posting hands for advice, reading, doing EV calculations etc. thats the swans feet paddling hard beneath the surface.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 30, 2011, 10:15:52 AM ---
Thread"s gone off track, and funny how often threads turn into Hellmuth bashing threads.
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I don"t consider it "off track" but can understand how it could be construed that way, if, you see it simply as an attempt at Hellmuth bashing.
Having established ( correct me if I"m wrong here ) that jamming 20 bb"s was a positive cEV move. It seemed logical to me to question whether it was our best option in £ EV and what factors we consider before opting for a high variance play.
I suspect that this is where Hellmuth excels and why I asked....
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Does PH get the balance just right, does he shun high variance and exploit his edge optimally?
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Is that a pertinent question? or off track Hellmuth bashing.
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Clearly he is not the best cash player around, but his tournament record isn"t too shabby
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Exactly, we are talking about a tournament specific scenario here.
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As for the OP, and despite all the statistical analysis from various contributors, with a stack of ~20x, and in this position and at this stage of the tourney, I still can"t turn down the opportunity of shoving with 99 (and worse).
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Has"nt all the statistical analysis suggested jamming was +cEV?
Do you think PH would jam 20 bb"s in this spot?
AMRN:
Wasn"t having a dig Brendan - and fwiw I agree with everything you posted. The thread was def going into a Hellmuth bash though, and my point about his cash game play was specifically directed at the post which I quoted.
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