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Cash Tour 2012
Delboy:
Its a very interesting idea Des. Here are my thoughts:
The rake/ fee and Jackpot (Grinder payment) combo make it a very expensive game to play and long term - ev for the players. I would suggest a jackpot drop from each pot over say £20 to add to the Grinder pool for the prize. The rake seems fine but I dunno about the fee aswell.
The idea of balancing tables is fine, surely they would self balance anyway as the big stacks will want to go where the money is? The Jackpot is, after all a bonus, the main idea is to make money.
The time limit is about right.
I"m not too worried about the 100bb start. Its deep enough and replicates online.
Are we allowed to do deals for the jackpot?
pewpwagoon:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on December 20, 2011, 18:30:34 PM ---
It"s always nice to see some innovation and I have no problem with a trial.
It"s not something I can see myself playing and for that reason I find it a shame that, if successful, this will replace the Side Events.
Yes, I know that, apart from DTD, they"ve nearly all been PLO but at least something other than NLHE is being offered. How are we to promote the spreading of other poker variants if we dump the side events in favour of what is, in effect, already being offered by the casino...to wit...a HE cash game?
The Side Events were a reason for me, and many others, to hang around on Sunday after, as usual, bombing out of the Main Event thus making the trip a little more value for money. It would be a BIG shame to see them go.
Notwithstanding that I won"t be partaking, I do find the idea of rake being taken in what is essentially a tournament somewhat disturbing. This looks like a definite money maker (ahem) for the Casino but -EV for the players.
I"m also disturbed by APAT charging a fee.
I"m assuming since APAT are taking the fee that this is not a mis-named casino fee (they"re already getting a GENEROUS rake FFS). If this is an APAT event it should be reg free....it"s the APAT ethos.
If it is a casino fee I think it would be more appropriate to increase this to a more standard % and cut the rake.
Like I said, I won"t be playing in this...I"ll be trying to get Side Event SNG"s off the ground...or at the bar. ;D
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I agree totally with Paulie.
The extra side event is what makes APAT events what they are; you bust the main you can have a laugh and play the side. Most will agree with me that they are traveling to APAT events to play TOURNAMENTS and NOT CASH games.
If I wanted to play some cash I would stay at home.
Its a shame there is not going to be a side event at Brighton; I hope this will not be the case for any future events.
Lukas
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Delboy on December 20, 2011, 19:01:30 PM ---
Its a very interesting idea Des. Here are my thoughts:
The rake/ fee and Jackpot (Grinder payment) combo make it a very expensive game to play and long term - ev for the players. I would suggest a jackpot drop from each pot over say £20 to add to the Grinder pool for the prize. The rake seems fine but I dunno about the fee aswell.
The idea of balancing tables is fine, surely they would self balance anyway as the big stacks will want to go where the money is? The Jackpot is, after all a bonus, the main idea is to make money.
The time limit is about right.
I"m not too worried about the 100bb start. Its deep enough and replicates online.
Are we allowed to do deals for the jackpot?
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This is a very good idea, makes the game less auto -EV
Deals on the jackpot could certainly work (and should be allowed as we are paying a reg fee and there is no added value). I still like prizes for more than one player and a straight game rather than moving the top 10 stacks to one table and moving the blinds up.
pables:
I have spoken to the Rendezvous card room and they inform me that they are still running their own tourney on the Sunday which is
£45 Super Turbo Freezeout
£6 reg
20,000 chips1
15 minute blinds
£1500 guaranteed with 15 players from the start
If you wanna steer clear of cash like me ;D
oh and are you coming now Rodders :)
AMRN:
the more I think about this, and having read all the feedback so far..... this doesn"t feel like a cash game at all - it would appear to be just a tournament by another name, with most of the usual tournament dynamics, but far more heavily taxed than any tournament I ever play in. The grinder pot would make such a huge influence that it turns the "final table" into a winner takes all STT.
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