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Waz1892:
A2-A10.  AJ + 55 he would/should be raising preflop.

outside chance of A3 A5.

I would now think no 2 hearts, so comfy flatting, and re-raising any non heart river bet for value

AAroddersAA:

--- Quote from: Waz1892 on January 05, 2013, 20:40:04 PM ---
A2-A10.  AJ + 55 he would/should be raising preflop.

outside chance of A3 A5.

I would now think no 2 hearts, so comfy flatting, and re-raising any non heart river bet for value

--- End quote ---

55 should not raise pre here. DUCY

Waz1892:

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 05, 2013, 20:42:46 PM ---

--- Quote from: Waz1892 on January 05, 2013, 20:40:04 PM ---
A2-A10.  AJ + 55 he would/should be raising preflop.

outside chance of A3 A5.

I would now think no 2 hearts, so comfy flatting, and re-raising any non heart river bet for value

--- End quote ---

55 should not raise pre here. DUCY

--- End quote ---


???  

Why is 55 not a raising hand in BB vs open reg button player?

AAroddersAA:

--- Quote from: Waz1892 on January 05, 2013, 20:55:01 PM ---

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 05, 2013, 20:42:46 PM ---

--- Quote from: Waz1892 on January 05, 2013, 20:40:04 PM ---
A2-A10.  AJ + 55 he would/should be raising preflop.

outside chance of A3 A5.

I would now think no 2 hearts, so comfy flatting, and re-raising any non heart river bet for value

--- End quote ---

55 should not raise pre here. DUCY

--- End quote ---


???  

Why is 55 not a raising hand in BB vs open reg button player?

--- End quote ---

I will respond to this by PM, just want to see what others say before I say exactly why I think that"s the case. It is kind of the point of the thread in a way.

TheSnapper:

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 05, 2013, 22:42:15 PM ---

--- Quote from: Waz1892 on January 05, 2013, 20:55:01 PM ---

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 05, 2013, 20:42:46 PM ---

55 should not raise pre here. DUCY

--- End quote ---


???  

Why is 55 not a raising hand in BB vs open reg button player?

--- End quote ---

I will respond to this by PM, just want to see what others say before I say exactly why I think that"s the case. It is kind of the point of the thread in a way.

--- End quote ---


So we are in the sb 55 facing a wide button open from a 22/20 reg. Btns range is something like.....

22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54s,A7o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo ~27% possibly a tad tighter but hey its close enough.

Flatting against this range would be a mistake, if we were 100 bb"s deep (we have less implied odds versus the wider range), so in that instance we now should fold or 3b bluff, so if button folds to 3b"s often enough we will turn a profit just on the 3b alone.

We are 370 bb"s deep here so implied odds are huge and flatting is imho, most likely the more +ev option for 55.

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