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Sugar_Free:
IMO it"s either a team game where the prizes are awarded for getting your team safely across the line, or it isn"t.
Curlarge:
--- Quote from: Sugar_Free on March 04, 2013, 19:57:59 PM ---
IMO it"s either a team game where the prizes are awarded for getting your team safely across the line, or it isn"t.
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+1
galo5767:
But at the end of the day if you have 2 team mates sitting side by side and it folds to the short stack in the SB and he shoves the BB is going to fold to his team mate 100% of the time, the SB shortie may also limp, the BB big stack raise and then the SB shove and the BB fold. Now it isn"t as blatant as the example from last night but its still soft play/dumping. It will never get picked up by the network fraud team, but we will all know that it was team mates colluding/soft playing each other.
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The reason this would never be picked up is because this sort of play is common in individual MTTs. If the hand last night happened in one of these games it would be picked up. People play lots of different styles with different theories on what we would do in certain circumstances. What happened last night, the fold could never be justified unless you were multi tblg and mis-clicked ;)
josharp01:
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 04, 2013, 18:40:07 PM ---
So long as both players were on the same team, I don"t see this as being a problem, and is an acceptable part of team poker. That said, some of us are a little more subtle about it, and it doesn"t usually attract such attention.
My problem with taking this action and the DQ, is that a precedent has now been set, and APAT will be open to people crying foul in the future, and should then really follow through with other DQs for chip dumping. If that happens, more than half the field will be absent in future team leagues - chip dumping (team survival) is an integral part of the team game.
In my opinion, if the rule is to be followed, then it has to followed vigorously in all circumstances..... we can"t say that it"s ok to breach the rule, so long as we do it subtly - it"s either a rule or it isn"t.
Example A - as posted by Leigh.
Example B - large stack open raises to 3x and then folds when his short stacked team mate shoves for 4.5x.
Example B is quite clearly chip dumping, and breaches the same rule as that which has been breached in Example A..... but this happens in every single game without any action being taken.
Tough call this one.
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This.
It has to be one or the other now that this has happened and I don"t think many, if any, teams can hold their hands up and say there has never been the slightest hint of a "little" bit of soft play or a little bit of collusion. If the rule is none the it is absolutely none.
--- Quote from: HOLDorFOLD on March 04, 2013, 18:12:50 PM ---
(stepping away from thread now ... just really sad to hear two people were DQ"d and if I am totally honest quite shocked that someone in an APAT "TEAM" game, actually went as far as reporting it)
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Definitely this too....as much as we all understand the network rules etc....it just doesn"t seem very "APAT spirited", especially when everyone playing is fully aware that it is a team game.
GiMac:
--- Quote from: galo5767 on March 04, 2013, 20:33:09 PM ---
The reason this would never be picked up is because this sort of play is common in individual MTTs. If the hand last night happened in one of these games it would be picked up. People play lots of different styles with different theories on what we would do in certain circumstances. What happened last night, the fold could never be justified unless you were multi tblg and mis-clicked ;)
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Thats my point exactly, you cannot hope to enforce it or in many cases spot it, yet its no better or worse than the example from last night. Soft play is soft play.
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