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AQ 15x CO facing min open by unknown older gentleman always a ship?
AAroddersAA:
Against an unknown at this level this has to be a shove (you just can"t flat this shallow). I understand the comment about it being an older gent but everybody is opening a bit wider than normal at this stage and as somebody has already said you might well get called by worse or be in a race and if you are going to win then you have to take races in the right spots and this is a good spot. By shoving we can add more than 20% to our stack if he folds so actually even if he plays perfectly against us and only calls when he is ahead and folds when we are ahead we still make money by shoving.
Against a realistic live calling range in most live tournaments (I am probably making this too tight if anything) you are 50/50 imo.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
513,691,200 games 0.000 secs 102,738,240,000 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.232% 43.90% 06.34% 225488184 32546754.00 { AQs }
Hand 1: 49.768% 43.43% 06.34% 223109508 32546754.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
You have good fold equity as well so shoving is going to be profitable long term if this range is correct as every time he folds you win extra chips than if he called if that makes sense.
WYoung83:
15 BBs is a really good 3 bet shoving stack (thats why i would ship hands like 97s also). If you are folding AQ here in this spot then that is extremely tight, and i think you would be giving up all that dead money in the middle to often.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on February 05, 2013, 11:04:22 AM ---
Against an unknown at this level this has to be a shove (you just can"t flat this shallow). I understand the comment about it being an older gent but everybody is opening a bit wider than normal at this stage and as somebody has already said you might well get called by worse or be in a race and if you are going to win then you have to take races in the right spots and this is a good spot. By shoving we can add more than 20% to our stack if he folds so actually even if he plays perfectly against us and only calls when he is ahead and folds when we are ahead we still make money by shoving.
Against a realistic live calling range in most live tournaments (I am probably making this too tight if anything) you are 50/50 imo.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
513,691,200 games 0.000 secs 102,738,240,000 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.232% 43.90% 06.34% 225488184 32546754.00 { AQs }
Hand 1: 49.768% 43.43% 06.34% 223109508 32546754.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
You have good fold equity as well so shoving is going to be profitable long term if this range is correct as every time he folds you win extra chips than if he called if that makes sense.
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Right, I have had enough of all this jibberish being posted and me having no clue what it means. Explain. Immediately.
Zozzy:
rodders I don"t have a problem with your raising range for villain and I agree that it is wrong to flat, but I disagree that there is "good fold equity"
What percentage of that range is going to raise fold to 15 Bigs ?
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Zozzy on February 06, 2013, 22:36:42 PM ---
rodders I don"t have a problem with your raising range for villain and I agree that it is wrong to flat, but I disagree that there is "good fold equity"
What percentage of that range is going to raise fold to 15 Bigs ?
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0% that represents his 3-bet calling range
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