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KarmaDope:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on July 22, 2013, 12:46:09 PM ---
probably fold with no other info but i"m not in the "easy fold" camp at all. If I feel at all he is abusing his table chip leader status then I would call it off.
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In an MTT I would agree.
In a 180 turbo it"s a pass. Most regs arent shipping light here against another above average stack - it"s better to just open shove than 3-bet and we are behind his 3-bet jam range. If he"s a random, then you have to ask are they shoving 7-7 here? I would say no.
deanp27:
It is a MTT no? Don"t really see a great deal of difference between this and any other turbo MTT but admittedly I haven"t played 180s for at least 5 years so no real idea.
I don"t know if he is a reg but OP has no stats on him. I agree he shouldn"t be shipping that light against an above average stack (ie: we may not ship here) but that doesn"t mean he isn"t being abusive of his status as table/tournament chip leader and generally piling it in. Like I said though, would probably fold.
What range do you give the BB here?
KarmaDope:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on July 22, 2013, 13:19:15 PM ---
It is a MTT no? Don"t really see a great deal of difference between this and any other turbo MTT but admittedly I haven"t played 180s for at least 5 years so no real idea.
I don"t know if he is a reg but OP has no stats on him. I agree he shouldn"t be shipping that light against an above average stack (ie: we may not ship here) but that doesn"t mean he isn"t being abusive of his status as table/tournament chip leader and generally piling it in. Like I said though, would probably fold.
What range do you give the BB here?
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Would have to OPR him (and I would do this ingame as well) but as in work I cant atm.
If he was a reg, then TT+ AQs+
If he was a random, then add AJo+ to that list.
s4ooter:
A reg with a stack should be doing this with a huge range, as its winning uncontested chips a large % of the time. I expect a lot of pairs, and hands with blockers.
A fish however would have a narrowier range.
Just ran the numbers on ICMizer.
If villian is a reg with a 14% jam range (trust me they do) then its +t933.9 to call (so in the long run youll win that many chips on average)
Even a player with a jamming range of 10% (AA-88, AKo, AKs, AQo, AQs) you profit +t313 so its a call.
Edit: When i used to grind these all the time, if i didnt have you noted as a reg in the games i would be shoving close to 23% of range if i was in the villians seat.
Regs will call off very wide vs regs, but regs also know that weaker players (non-regs) play these like std MMTs and R/F too much. You find they open 14% of hands but only call a shove with 5-6%.
Id call, and see his hand. If really wide, then mark his am a reg and narrow your range in the future. You have to take 2/180s as a series of games, not individual.
I call......
AAroddersAA:
Morning Dann, don"t entirely agree with this post mate.
I agree that some people (some of the better regs for example) will have a wide range for doing this but not too many are doing this against a stack that can do them real damage.
I don"t really agree that there are a lot of people doing this with a 14% range, there are some but you need some info to suggest they are doing this before you can even consider it, we do not have that in this case, we do not even have him noted as a reg (and I would need more than that I THINK). 14% is something like:-
44+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo
Against that range we are 50/50 (so that would be an easy call as pot odds are massive). The problem is I don"t think that too many players are really shoving this light. Normally when you call off they will show you a much narrower range of hands.
--- Quote from: s4ooter on July 22, 2013, 20:20:25 PM ---
Even a player with a jamming range of 10% (AA-88, AKo, AKs, AQo, AQs) you profit +t313 so its a call.
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This is not a 10% range (it"s about 5%) and it is just not profitable chip wise to call against this range. I have not run the numbers but we are not getting the near 2/1 that we need. Chip wise it is a big -EV call against this range.
10% is probably more like 77+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KJo+ we are 45% against this range this is very marginal chip EV wise and I might call though as it is just about +cEV and I am not yet at the stage where my tournament life is vital. This is pretty marginal and I would like to hear thoughts on it.
If his range is 88+ and AQ+ though we are only about 36% making it a cEV fold.
--- Quote from: s4ooter on July 22, 2013, 20:20:25 PM ---
Regs will call off very wide vs regs, but regs also know that weaker players (non-regs) play these like std MMTs and R/F too much. You find they open 14% of hands but only call a shove with 5-6%.
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Good point, but we just can"t assume this kind of thinking from a player we have two hands on?
OPR/Sharkscope shows he has played about 2500 sitngo"s on Pokerstars and that he is quite regular at the $2.50 180 games currently but does not rate him as that great of a player.
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