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Small 50 hand session recording, your thoughts.
MintTrav:
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Planning on having a good watch in the morning :)
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Filthy thing. The lad"s got no shame.
mporter123:
AAroddersAA:
Cheers Mark, great response with some very good points. I was intentionally trying to play hype aggression in this video, I think the style will be +EV but it was too full on and needs to be toned down slightly to be optimal, it does not need to be toned down that much though. I am not sure if this style is actually better than multi table ultra tight trying to get paid off when you have it. I suspect this style played well, will result in a better BB/100 but it takes more focus and therefore you have to play less tables so may net less money in the long term as you can play more hands using the other style. I honestly do not know if that is true or not but it is certainly possible. The only thing that makes me wonder is that at this level people fold too much.
The reason it is 15 mins is so that it can be uploaded to you tube. I guess it is easy enough to upgrade my account to make longer ones though. On the weekend I will try and do one of a six max standard table as it will allow the HUD to be used better and will definitely make a better video.
I think your assessment of the way to play the SB is fine/good. I just don"t really agree it is the most profitable way to play the position. I have run tests and just purely raising every unopened pot to 30c and check folding against any resistance will turn a profit. People fold the BB far too often, yeah people will adjust but they just will not play back often enough to make this a losing play. I may sometimes fold the SB in a BvB spot if I am holding trash and know I am likely to get 3-bet but this spot would be rare. Over 20K hands this year I am down $4.57 in the SB. The sample size is pretty small obviously but I would say that raising ATC in an opened pot BvB is +EV. It is a great point for discussion though and I will take these comments on board and look at it in more detail.
The T3 was just a button raise. If I have no info to say that the players are going to play back at me I am pretty much happy to raise almost ATC, at this level people fold far too much and you can win lot"s of money without a showdown. Again people will play back but not often enough to make it unprofitable.
One thing I do disagree with is the 3-betting range you mention. If I 3-bet AT I am doing it as a bluff as if you get action you are usually dominated, you can flat in position and have the best hand against your opponents range a lot which should be profitable. I may still do 3-bet it a lot but when I do I generally want my opponents to fold. Small pairs are bad hands to 3-bet in my mind as they have so much equity post flop. Yeah you can 3-bet and still hit a set but I think it is better to flat call these hands and try and hit a monster. You waste the massive equity of a small pair if you get 4-bet off the pot. I would raise with them and call a 3-bet usually but would not usually 3-bet with them. Obviously there are no hard and fast rules though.
I also think never 3-betting as a pure bluff is OK but again missing some profitable spots, as there are some players who in the player pool who it is profitable to do this against.
TheSnapper:
Some thoughts on 3b bluffing.
It"s all very well to notice a decent spot where a 3b bluff will show immediate profit but we can"t and shouldn"t take every spot that presents itself, if we do we will be very noticeably 3b"ing way too much.
I"d love to hear how some you guys regulate your 3b frequencies?
Currently my preferred method is to add certain hand combo"s to my 3b range opponent dependent, the wider they open the more bluff combo"s. OOP when it"s going to be 3b and give up somewhat often when called, I like to use rag Aces and Kings for their card removal value.
Take a starting point of the pure value 3b range of JJ+ and AK (40 combos) we can create and control a balanced value:bluff ratio by adding....
A2-A5 where Ace is a diamond (16 combo"s) for a 60:40 value to bluff ratio etc. etc.
At the very least this allows us to simply understand the volume of hands we are 3b"ing with.
Charlie44:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on September 18, 2013, 15:42:02 PM ---
Some thoughts on 3b bluffing.
It"s all very well to notice a decent spot where a 3b bluff will show immediate profit but we can"t and shouldn"t take every spot that presents itself, if we do we will be very noticeably 3b"ing way too much.
I"d love to hear how some you guys regulate your 3b frequencies?
Currently my preferred method is to add certain hand combo"s to my 3b range opponent dependent, the wider they open the more bluff combo"s. OOP when it"s going to be 3b and give up somewhat often when called, I like to use rag Aces and Kings for their card removal value.
Take a starting point of the pure value 3b range of JJ+ and AK (40 combos) we can create and control a balanced value:bluff ratio by adding....
A2-A5 where Ace is a diamond (16 combo"s) for a 60:40 value to bluff ratio etc. etc.
At the very least this allows us to simply understand the volume of hands we are 3b"ing with.
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Not really sat down and thought about this before, but has been a good exercise for me. So thanks for the prompt. I have put together an initial strategy would welcome your thoughts.
I think there are 2 issues here. The first is your 3 betting for value range and secondly your 3 bet bluffing frequency/range.
My 3 betting for value range would depend on - the villains PFR range from his current position, whether I am in position compared to him, and the number and type of players yet to act.
So for instance if villain raises in co and does this 40% of time, and I am on the button, my initial reaction would be to 3 bet with top 20%. I would temper with the fact that 2 players yet to act especially if seems to be good reg who may 4 bet light. So may be 15% of my range in this spot - which would be AA-55,AK-A9,AKs-A5s,KQ-KJ,KQs-KJs,QJs. I am not sure that I would want to add many bluffs when I am betting for value. I suppose the difficulty I have is what range do I continue with if I am 4 bet. Its at that stage I need to refer to his 4 betting range and make a judgement.
If the villain does not have a wide PFR range for his position but does have a high 2bet/fold %age it is at this point I think I would tend to add a bluffing range. If your oppo raisses to 3 BBs if you reraise to 7.5 BBs you only need a fold 62.5% of time for it to be profitable, even ignoring the equity if you get called. Clearly with zoom the population of hands is not going to be great but I think if he has folded 2/3 to 3 bet I think that"s enough evidence. I don"t think you need a great hand to do this but I think a playable hand.(I think maybe Q4s is ok but not 83o!) The more players behind the more evidence you want that villain is going to fold. So I would tend to do this when circumstances are best rather than do it when you are dealt specific hands.
I would monitor my 3 betting frequency on a regular basis to make sure it is not getting out of hand. If it is adjust as required.
Also I would tend not to be 3 betting what appear to be weak players so much, especially in position, beacause I would want to play post flop against them.
Would appreciate your thoughts Brendan or anybody else.
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