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Tricky turn spot, or is it ?

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Erimus:
Agree mid game to accumulate chips etc, but now there is decent money involved, I know this shouldn"t make a massive difference but it does, not just to me but to the others as well, even though he stats say he has been busy the hands I had seen him in he usually had decent holdings.

I am quite happy to flip for 20+ bigs with mid pairs mid game to get to this spot as you are usually racing, gotta win them flips! here the dynamic is slightly different imo.

I did raise pre flop, he 3 bet from the button, he doesn"t have to be light here, sometimes other people get hands.

mporter123:

--- Quote from: Erimus on December 03, 2013, 16:42:41 PM ---

4 bet jamming with 88 in this spot was not an option, flipping at best, more than likely a 4/1 to dog.

--- End quote ---


Your talking about villain like he is a total nit. If thats the case then its a very clear fold pre once raised. Villain with these stats, 5 handed, should have lots of semi bluff / complete bluff 3 bets in his range that will snap fold to a 4bet.

I wouldn"t read too much into his sizing pre. If he is any good, which stats indicate he might be, then he will use that  sizing for all his 3bets - bluffs or for value. Thats dependent on how he views you of course.

Are we re-raising on the flop for value or as a bluff? Neither - we are doing it to find out where we are which is not a good reason to raise. When we check call the flop, we give him the chance to bluff turns. Yes - the hand is "harder" to play as we aren"t sure where we are but thats fine. I would expect a lot of turns to go check check when we check call the flop.

mporter123:
Really do like a jam here. If we click it back, we just give him the option to 5bet jam worse hands as a bluff - this is quite conceivable. In his spot, I might just go mad with Ax, Kx pre to a click back.

By 4 bet jamming pre, he will obv fold some flips as well - A10,AJ type hands. If he was really aggro then could 4bet call but need a good solid read for that.

Erimus:
Don"t think he is a nit at all, ie in play or via stats but we have to be aware he can easily have us crushed here, folding pre was an option but would be too nitty only 2 more bigs to call, agree the raise wasn"t for value but why not to ask the question ?, i still have 24 bigs left if I have to fold and still comfortably in the game, I raised pre, I have reraised his bet on a 10 high flop so I am indicating strength, him still being here also indicates to me he does have something, if he is bluffing me here well played him, sometimes we get outplayed, it"s all part of the game.

Perhaps a leak in my game is I tend to think villain always has a better hand ie if I have KQ, villain has to have AK, got to start thinking the other way around, if I have KQ, they have KJ.

Erimus:
Susan needs feeding and off to the G,  basically I folded the turn bet, I asked him in the chat box if 88 was any good, and he said no, he may of been lying but I was quite happy with the fold and have no reason to disbelieve him.

Nb: went on to win it for $2k9, sometimes a fold is ok, be it right or wrong.

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