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noble1:
errr no ;D
just some quick points -
why was it so difficult to not put him on a range like these on the turn - [equity on turn versus these]
45o - 0%
45h - 0%
Axo - 11.36%
Axh - 9.09%
A3h - 4.55%
A3o - 4.55%
33 - 0%
TT - 0%
even A2o - 0%
Txo - 11%
reasonable range for what he is check raising on the turn , although a $1 tourny even if the fruit loop was betting 77 88 etc u are still in bad shape and i think with hindsight you are trying to justify the play.
the equity you had on the turn was - 3950/750=5.26 so 1/6.26= 15.97% equity not 19,so even against Axo your call was questionable and also giving villian the said hand range the reraise you make on the river is imo BAD
if i were to play your hand at all with your observations of the table dynamics , why not raise pre-flop 4to5bb and punish the limpers [easy 375 chips]
Sir u are more leaky than a leaky full of holes thingy me a jig
minus 0.5 points for poor maths and hand reading/board analysis and a black star..
total points - 1/2 out of ten [jon mw shows promise but needs to apply himself more]
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: noble1 on October 10, 2008, 01:46:47 AM ---
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45o - 0% he would have folded preflop
45h - 0% he would have folded preflop
Axo - 11.36% Already explained that I didn"t take into account that he could be playing A rag from the blinds Even though he wouldn"t be from any other position. I thought he had a high ace
Axh - 9.09% as above
A3h - 4.55% as above
A3o - 4.55% as above
33 - 0% If he"d flopped a set of 3"s or 2"s and was slow playing it then good luck to him
TT - 0% He would have raised pre flop
even A2o - 0% As above with the ace rag
Txo - 11% he would have bet more than the minimum on the flop, people were being very good at protecting their made hands. They weren"t generally playing badly on this table - they were playing tight, and they were playing it well.
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if i were to play your hand at all with your observations of the table dynamics , why not raise pre-flop 4to5bb and punish the limpers [easy 375 chips]
I was mainly doing things like that pre flop if I had a reasonable hand to semi bluff with (like ace rag for instance). In this instance the time to take it down safely would have been to raise to 750 on the flop (for much the same reasoning that I bet it on the turn) - but I thought there were plenty of opportunity here for me to either get away from the hand without betting too much, or to win a bigger pot. (I made a mistake - and that"s how I should have played it without making a mistake)
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Jon MW:
--- Quote from: noble1 on October 10, 2008, 01:46:47 AM ---
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the equity you had on the turn was - 3950/750=5.26 so 1/6.26= 15.97% equity
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I was just looking at pot odds, I"m not so big on equity calculations.
What did you do here - particularly where does the 6.26 come from?
Swinebag:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on October 10, 2008, 09:50:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on October 10, 2008, 01:46:47 AM ---
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the equity you had on the turn was - 3950/750=5.26 so 1/6.26= 15.97% equity
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I was just looking at pot odds, I"m not so big on equity calculations.
What did you do here - particularly where does the 6.26 come from?
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1+5.26?
noble1:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on October 10, 2008, 09:50:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on October 10, 2008, 01:46:47 AM ---
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the equity you had on the turn was - 3950/750=5.26 so 1/6.26= 15.97% equity
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I was just looking at pot odds, I"m not so big on equity calculations.
What did you do here - particularly where does the 6.26 come from?
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right 1st where did you get 19% from ? even working it out the rough way the 4x and 2x rule on the turn 62o with 5 outs - 5x2=10% chance to improve thats 9to1
equity - 6.26 comes from the 5.26 to 1 odds u were getting on the turn , u add 5.26 to the 1 = 6.26 then to work out your equity you divide 1 by the 6.26 which equals 15.97%
when you pokerstove villians range you are way behind this even to TJ T9 TQ etc
another way which a lot use is they add the pot size [3950] to the call [750] which would equal 4700 using this figure you then divide the call [750] by 4700 and times 100 which equals 15.957% aha i hear u cry its not the same as the way u did it above , well try dividing 1 by 6.266 times 100 and u will get 15.95%
i just think my way is quicker when online with a calculator at hand , work out the odds and the divide it into 1 easy peezy
eg - pot size 7400 ,, 4200 to call 1.76 to 1 1 divided by 2.76 times 100 equals 36.23% equity when you pokerstove lots of different hand ranges u get to know how hands stack up against each other pre-flop and post and u will pick up quickly when to fold and call mathematically correctly , most top mtt players now know hand ranges and equity and use it quite effectively
i"ve been going through a lot of my friends mtt hand histories recently who has just started playing at poker and he plays the 1 and 2$ mtts on stars, one thing i have noticed going through them is the weak play and calling light on the river , no surprises there ,, but i do find it intresting how u discount all those hands for some1 in the small blind when it only costs them 125 chips to see a flop with a 8000+ chip stack,, i agree he played his 2 pair far to passive but looking at his bet pattern, weak lead flop check raise turn [ok bad raise but it is a bad player] those hands i give him are quite reasonable for his position in the hand and how quite a lot of players at this level play them.
The amount of histories i"ve been through and seen weak bet flop , turn , and river with top pair weak kicker they might as well telegraph there hand to everyone . The total disregard to position when playing there hands , i could go on and on with the mistakes i keep seeing , unbelievable really when you consider the amount of information out there for poker...
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