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Whats your line here?
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on October 06, 2008, 15:14:30 PM ---
Shove for me. Especially with your stack size (and your opponents" stacks).
Stop and go works as well possibly. But the shove is the better option for me with JJ. Just under 70% of the time there"s going to be an overcard on the board - and against two opponents you"re likely to be behind and potentially "going" when you need to be "stopping".
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Where"d you get the 70% from?
Swinebag:
"stop and go" from SB is a bit of an overused play IMO (from the harrington books) A lot of short stacks that use it are getting looked up more and more these days. Harrington recommends using it as a way to defend your blinds with a weak holding, against a late position or serial raiser.
With these blinds you want a double up here with JJ
The way I see it, when you "stop and go" here, you are minimising your win when you are ahead and losing the lot when you are behind
In this case, you are ahead of this players range so stick em in. Save the caution for the deeper stacks....
.....and more importantly save the "stop and go" for a worse hand in a similar spot.
Swinebag:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on October 06, 2008, 15:36:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on October 06, 2008, 15:14:30 PM ---
Shove for me. Especially with your stack size (and your opponents" stacks).
Stop and go works as well possibly. But the shove is the better option for me with JJ. Just under 70% of the time there"s going to be an overcard on the board - and against two opponents you"re likely to be behind and potentially "going" when you need to be "stopping".
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Where"d you get the 70% from?
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I thought it was around 50%
HaworthBantam:
22 - 100%
33 - 99%
44 - 99%
55 - 98%
66 - 96%
77 - 92%
88 - 97%
99 - 80%
TT - 70%
JJ - 57%
QQ - 41%
KK - 27%
AA - 0%
For the mathematicians.... http://www.math.sfu.ca/~alspach/comp34/
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on October 06, 2008, 15:55:48 PM ---
"stop and go" from SB is a bit of an overused play IMO ...
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Funny you should say that, as I don"t really see it being used that much (i.e. I don"t often see a blind call and shove on the flop).
Personally I think you have enough chips to not need the double up, the extra chips you get if this works is enough to give you some opportunity for further blind and ante stealing.
However this scenario in particular though I firstly want a squeeze from the big blind to then get all my chips in and hope for more than a double up.
Although I might have worded it back to front, the stop and go is my back up in case I don"t get the squeeze play.
I would expect the shove post flop to get respect because I don"t see stop and go"s that much. But if it was a rag board and they thought I had nothing, I"m in good shape. If it has a single high card then they are more likely to have missed than hit. If there was more than one - I"d be a bit stuck (gloss over that quickly).
In summary: I think this scenario in particular would be a smooth call - with plenty of opportunities to gain a fair amount of chips.
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