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noble1:
yep,lots have said shove it in or call on forums that i have posted this on... :)

but it was the early stages in the mtt and i rarely want to stack off with 2 pair in a slow structure when i have 100bb + ..

the reason i posted this hand was to get a feel for how others would perceive my check raise but alas not many looked at it from the opponents point of view..
on one forum some of you may know which,the discussion got into betting for info being wrong/right etc etc .. When you have no reads/history on a opponent then making decisions online is pretty tough as unlike live poker you get to see visual and hear audible clues [hands,breathing,posture,voice is higher etc etc] to help you.
This was a situation where my check raise gave me information as to what strength hand my opponent could possibly have,some would say with me being OOP a probe bet would achieve the same result but imo you can probe check raise,it is a strong approach and most players will view it as that, so the action they then take afterwards should help me define there hand and help me make better decisions especially against a opponent that i have no read on.

i am not saying that in this particular scenario the check raise was the best line for me to take but because i reacted to the new ""information"" that i got from this line of play i was able to make a decision based purely on betting patterns..
My opinion is that in online poker being such a different beast to live , you have to use betting to define your opponents hands...every bet you make online and how your opponents react to them are the only strong clues you will get to define what they have or not have in some cases  ;D

After all that my check raise was designed as a value type bet but it led to further
developments which caused me to re-evaluate whether i was ahead or not..

AMRN:
What a horrible spot. You can fold and take your 100bb+ and find a better spot to take your chances...... OR consider that top two is ahead of many possible holdings such as AQ, KK, AA etc - his preflop raise might indicate any of these hands, but of course it might also indicate QQ or JJ.... however as you have one of each, that"s unlikely

I have to think I would be shoving here, probably in the almost certain knowledge that I"m throwing my tourney away early.

noble1:

--- Quote from: AMRN on January 07, 2009, 19:21:24 PM ---
What a horrible spot. You can fold and take your 100bb+ and find a better spot to take your chances...... OR consider that top two is ahead of many possible holdings such as AQ, KK, AA etc - his preflop raise might indicate any of these hands, but of course it might also indicate QQ or JJ.... however as you have one of each, that"s unlikely

I have to think I would be shoving here, probably in the almost certain knowledge that I"m throwing my tourney away early.

--- End quote ---


pretty much how i thought AMRN at the time AA KK met reraise back but i thought it odd on that texture of flop to a check raise,so i gave him the benefit of the doubt and decided to keep my eye on him lol lol as i had no reads on him as like you
i thought that he could possibly have a set and because of my line of play he figured me strong and was going to get value out of a strong hand by the size of his re-raise bet and he would ship them in on the turn..

he showed QQ by the way after i folded,some say i should of check called in the 1st place or called the re-raise after he re-raised but thats not my style generally.

but i thought it an interesting hand to post due to my line of playing the situation.

LongshanksED:
this is a pattern ive been noticing alot more recently - albeit in low stake tourneys ($5 - $10 buy ins)

player A in early or mid position limps in

player B in any position raises to 3-5 BB"s

folded back to player A who goes all in

player B thinks then calls


what do you put players A and B on?

lukybugur:
PP v AK more often than not

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