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Stop and go versus pre-flop shove
LongshanksED:
--- Quote from: AMRN on December 30, 2008, 21:44:01 PM ---
how many times have you found yourself in the blinds with a pocket pair, and re-raised all in only to be called by the mid-position raiser"s AK..... then you survive the flop, but see an A/K on the turn or river........ well at least by playing the Stop and Go move instead of the re-raise all in preflop, you increase your chances of your pair standing up against the overcards - he only has 3 cards to hit instead of all 5.
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just today that happened to me (well similar)
30 man sit n go and down to last 8 and 5 get paid
average chip count of 5k blinds of 100/200 - i have 6.5k on button and villian has 4k
villian in utg +1 limps in, folded round to me with pocket jacks and i raise to 1000
villian calls
622 flop and villain checks, i bet the pot of 2.3k and villian insta calls shoves (another 500 or so to me) - so i think well he slow played aces or kings, it happens but i have to call now and he turns over king 9
king on the river cripples me into the short stack
i go into the chat box and ask how he can make the call, it was a bit donkey ish (trying to be diplomatic) and he replies (and in capitals to vent his anger)
IM NOT A DONKEY, YOU ARE, YOUR THE LOSER YOU HOMO (????)
so i say and without losing my cool for a change that he had virtually no hand and he shouts again I HAVE OVERPAIR
no i say, you had overcards, did you even think for a second what cards i could raise and push with on that flop but i get no answer
an orbit later and with 10-10 on the button i raise all in for 1.5 but get a caller with kings, 10 on the flop but king river again knocks me out
Swinebag:
--- Quote from: LongshanksED on December 30, 2008, 23:33:42 PM ---
i go into the chat box and ask how he can make the call, it was a bit donkey ish (trying to be diplomatic) and he replies (and in capitals to vent his anger)
IM NOT A DONKEY, YOU ARE, YOUR THE LOSER YOU HOMO (????)
so i say and without losing my cool for a change that he had virtually no hand and he shouts again I HAVE OVERPAIR
no i say, you had overcards, did you even think for a second what cards i could raise and push with on that flop but i get no answer
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SHANKS...DONT TAP THE TANK!!!
Thats what I"d have put in the chatbox if I"d have been at your table
I"d never put what you did in the chatbox, for the simple reason that you want him calling with 2 overs (especially when he thinks he has an overpair LOL). By putting a reasoned argument in the chatbox you are helping him improve as a player and making it harder for you to beat him in the future....
Also, by discussing strategy in the chatbox you give an awful lot of reads away to your more attentive oponents to put in their notes about you..
LongshanksED:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on December 30, 2008, 23:46:26 PM ---
SHANKS...DONT TAP THE TANK!!!
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must admit i rarely use the chat box but his play infuriated me a bit (hellmuth stylee rant)
noble1:
LongshanksED that made me cry with laughter , please promise me you will do this in a live poker event [televised tv table preferably ;D] The ratings would soar for espn,sky,channel5 etc etc Tee shirt deals - on the front of the shirt it would say
""i"m not a donkey"" and on the back ""over pairs are for LOSER HOMO"S""
you would make thousands LongshanksED ;D
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: AMRN on December 30, 2008, 21:44:01 PM ---
how many times have you found yourself in the blinds with a pocket pair, and re-raised all in only to be called by the mid-position raiser"s AK..... then you survive the flop, but see an A/K on the turn or river........ well at least by playing the Stop and Go move instead of the re-raise all in preflop, you increase your chances of your pair standing up against the overcards - he only has 3 cards to hit instead of all 5.
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Two words- results orientated.
What about this scenario? 99 raises from the button- u flat with tens, the flop comes AJ2 you check he bets you fold......
OR
The flop comes J 7 4, you move in and 99 FOLDS
Your losing equity in this spot so many times by stop and going.
You have to win races to win tournaments- FACT.
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