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Righ thing? Wrong Thing?
noble1:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on April 01, 2009, 15:27:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on April 01, 2009, 15:25:59 PM ---
Fascinating how most perceive the opponents hand range here........
All i will i say is if you flop a flush in a similar situation to this against players who think like you ,then would a over bet of the pot be the best line? most would not put you on a flush.. ;D
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agreed but may only work if your opponent has flopped a set..... :)
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or top pair or an over pair or 2 pair or a straight ;D
--- Quote ---So we See a flop 3 Way with a pot of 9600, flop is jh qh 8h
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Honeybadg:
I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
L
deanp27:
you have JJ and you want to chase away ace rag?
in general principles, the bigger you bet the less likely you are to get called by hands you crush and more likely to only get called when beat.
make standard raises and from then on just trust your post flop play, usually you will have position if you are getting called from the blinds.
as an extreme example, if you don"t want callers when you raise then just open shove. Job done.
i really do think you should open the same whether you have JJ, AK, AA, KK, 56s, 22 or whatever - but i guess it depends on your style of play.
noble1:
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on April 01, 2009, 15:32:47 PM ---
I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
L
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i can see your logic in thinking this but just try to expand your thoughts on this a wee bit...watch the replays of the poker million final table for instance and see how much they raise by... [open up a mtt and watch the better mtt online players and see there bet sizing]
The std and type of opponents you are up against are key here,if for some reason you find you are getting to many callers when you raise [be it they are loose or your own image is spewy] then raising more pre would be fine as long as you don"t raise to often and do it with crap...
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Honeybadg:
--- Quote from: noble1 on April 01, 2009, 15:51:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on April 01, 2009, 15:32:47 PM ---
I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
L
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i can see your logic in thinking this but just try to expand your thoughts on this a wee bit...watch the replays of the poker million final table for instance and see how much they raise by... [open up a mtt and watch the better mtt online players and see there bet sizing]
The std and type of opponents you are up against are key here,if for some reason you find you are getting to many callers when you raise [be it they are loose or your own image is spewy] then raising more pre would be fine as long as you don"t raise to often and do it with crap...
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I think there is a difference in the way the Poker Million final table is played out and a $20k freeze-out ... I don"t think you can transpose the betting structure directly ... usually the players are deeper once you get to the Poker Million final table ... I have watched quite a few.
L
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