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Break Even Percentages
mal666:
incorrect... :)
$60 Turbo stt 9 man usual 50/30/20 payouts, blinds 300/600 ra50
Hero BB 7550
Villain sb 5950
Our sage calling range against a push
BB 43.0%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K4o+ Q4s+ Q8o+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 98s
lets take a middle of the road hand k4o and run this through sng wiz
tyT
The x axis is the villains shoving range.
The y axis is how profitable (or unprofitable) it is for you.
When the green line is above the red line it is profitable and you should call. Below and you should fold.
So from this graph we can see the villain needs to pushing around 60% of hands. Here is the Sage pushing range for the villain, 60.8%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J2s+ J7o+ T4s+ T8o+ 95s+ 97o+ 85s+ 87o 74s+ 76o 64s+ 53s+
All good so far, both calcs n graph come up with same result.
But what if the villain is a typical recreational player aka a nit, he wont have heard of sage and his pushing range will more likely be top 35% of hands only, so consult the graph and its now a clear fold! even at 50% of hands your costing yourself $ here.
noble1:
in your example K4o is a Pi of 30 and the sage R[call a push] makes this correct to call 7bb , in your scenario villain has a R of 10................so this makes it incorrect to call a shove with K4o using the sage system..
noble1:
here is a good liitle program to use if you so feel........
http://www.anskypoker.com/tools/pokersage.php
mal666:
--- Quote from: noble1 on April 18, 2009, 16:49:06 PM ---
in your example K4o is a Pi of 30 and the sage R[call a push] makes this correct to call 7bb , in your scenario villain has a R of 10................so this makes it incorrect to call a shove with K4o using the sage system..
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incorrect :)
noble1:
don"t be silly , i explained why........5950 stack 600 big blind equals 10bb .. sage is used in 7bb or less ...
what is incorrect????
--- Quote ---Here is the Sage pushing range for the villain, 60.8%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J2s+ J7o+ T4s+ T8o+ 95s+ 97o+ 85s+ 87o 74s+ 76o 64s+ 53s+
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what on earth are you getting mixed up with? Nash? this has nothing to do with the sage system, again please read article and you will find it applies to short stacks that are 7bb or less...or look at sage table towards bottom of article,you will notice that the R column only goes up to Seven [big blinds] if you still doubt then enter your scenario in the link i provided for AnskyPoker.com and it will say ""The Short-Stack/Big Blind ratio is greater than 7. SAGE does not apply. ""
hope this clears things..
regards
noble1
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