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Break Even Percentages
mal666:
so nash is nothing to do with sage lol, gtfo even yor link has a direct connection
WHAT IS POKERSAGE?
SAGE is a mathematically based unexploitable strategy for very short-stacked heads up no limit based on the Nash Equilibrium Theory.
noble1:
as i said mal as i am getting sick of your argument , sage is a equilibrium system not a theory and of course it is based upon Nash , the guy changed game theory.. But your scenario given had the short stack at 10bb and you said sage was incorrect...as i said earlier sage does not apply in this as it is used when the shortest stack is SEVEN big blinds or less..
If you feel that you can dis-prove the sage system then feel free to contact Lee Nelson and John Kittock as you might find your the only person in the world who can provide evidence of doing so.. ;D
edit - in reply to your comment that my PI was wrong in a different thread? K4o - K=13*2=26 +4 =30 i still make 30 please explain it to me if you make a different sum.
In a earlier post you stated it only works if someone else is using it and to a degree you was correct but offered no explaination..it works ok for most players except very tight or very loose imo all you have to do is adjust eg-the tight player allows us to open up our ranges in raising him because he will fold more than is mathematically correct [and as you briefly say to fold in cases even when the system says call,they are tight as a nats chuff :)] against a loose player our raise/call ranges can widen etc etc.But for live play HU imo this would help a lot of players as it is easy to learn,if you think differently then please expand on this...but now we are at a point where a thread on heads up play is needed..I linked the sage article as i thought some might [ty Rio] :) find it interesting if they had never come across it before..plus it is free :)
WYoung83:
phil gordon explains BEP down to a tee, in his little green and blue books.......read it and weep.
(awsome reading material)
Noe:
I enjoyed this thread, so thanks. The Phil Article seems pretty straight-forward, but I am guesing its the mental math part we all get hung up on. ???
http://www.netagency.co.uk/keyedin2/mental.html
So perhaps with some basic math practice that woudk get easier. Some great tip in this thread, so had to break my silence and "thanks guys".
Robbiebox:
Noble and Mal, great discussion. Love the Gigabet theory too, will think more about that later.
You both agree that SAGE works against other players who are employing it, however it isn"t the optimal strategy against players who are not using it and are tighter (typically) or looser. Obviously here the push/fold range and calling ranges alter.
Discussion should now focus on what do you think the alterations should be for typical live players. Noble you seem to think that there is not much need to alter far from SAGE, however Mal I get the imprssion you think play should take into account others tendancies a lot more.
Btw although not quite as clear, similar thinking surrounds SB v BB and single limper into BB situations late in the game.
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