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deanp27:
it depends but we have position and what may be scare cards for us may also be scare cards for him, we will be able to narrow his holdings by his reaction/action on the turn.
also if he is on a draw our ace high may still have showdown value unimproved
TopPair2Pair:
we have ac ks
Baord was jh tc 8h
George2Loose:
Raise the flop/fold to jam. I prefer to this a float this shallow.
He"ll most likely fold. People are donk live never have it
noble1:
PokerStars Game #32545889108: Tournament #200909010, $10000+$300 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (3500/7000) - 2009/09/07 9:21:55 WET [2009/09/07 4:21:55 ET]
Table "200909010 18" 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Sowerss (423750 in chips)
Seat 3: Belabacsi (202948 in chips)
Seat 4: Sumpas (749329 in chips)
Seat 5: KevBoyStar (368435 in chips)
Seat 7: Festivuss (139613 in chips)
Seat 8: BeL0WaB0Ve (867425 in chips)
Seat 9: SCTrojans (238500 in chips)
Sowerss: posts the ante 875
Belabacsi: posts the ante 875
Sumpas: posts the ante 875
KevBoyStar: posts the ante 875
Festivuss: posts the ante 875
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts the ante 875
SCTrojans: posts the ante 875
Sumpas: posts small blind 3500
KevBoyStar: posts big blind 7000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Festivuss: folds
BeL0WaB0Ve: raises 9150 to 16150
SCTrojans: folds
Sowerss: folds
Belabacsi: calls 16150
Sumpas: folds
KevBoyStar: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 8h Td]
BeL0WaB0Ve: checks
Belabacsi: bets 26750
BeL0WaB0Ve: raises 823650 to 850400 and is all-in
Belabacsi: calls 159173 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (664477) returned to BeL0WaB0Ve
*** TURN *** [Jc 8h Td] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 8h Td 6d] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BeL0WaB0Ve: shows [Js Kh] (a pair of Jacks)
Belabacsi: shows [Kd Qd] (a pair of Queens)
BeL0WaB0Ve said, "nh"
Belabacsi collected 420771 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 420771 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 8h Td 6d Qh]
Seat 1: Sowerss folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: Belabacsi (button) showed [Kd Qd] and won (420771) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: Sumpas (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: KevBoyStar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Festivuss folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 8: BeL0WaB0Ve showed [Js Kh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: SCTrojans folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Marty719:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on September 05, 2009, 12:24:48 PM ---
Raise the flop/fold to jam. I prefer to this a float this shallow.
He"ll most likely fold. People are donk live never have it
--- End quote ---
I hate raise/flop folding as he is likely to 3/bet shove all draws (where he may take a free card on the turn). He also shuts down w/ weak hands like underpairs where he bets flop to see where he is - in this case we win the hand when he checks the turn and we fire ~900+ to keep pressure on.
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on September 03, 2009, 16:30:36 PM ---
Flop is JT8...he"s led out on that flop and you have floated.
OK...let"s suppose the turn isn"t a Queen King.
Aren"t AKJT987 all scare cards for you?
Let"s suppose one of those falls and doesn"t make the flush.
He checks. Are you betting, if so how much and what are you hoping to represent?
Alternatively, if it"s a total brick (6 - 2) and he checks..same questions.
Finally, if it puts three to a flush out there, does this change your answers to the above?
Interesting discussion, I"ll be keen to see where it goes.
--- End quote ---
Regardless of turn, if we are checked to we are firing at it. Scare cards for us r also scare cards for our opponent. Obv if they call our turn bet, we have to shut down, but Id rather call flop/bet turn (where we can get him to fold a higher range when scare cards come (plus he prob doesnt re-shove draws on turn)) than re-pop on the flop where his 3-bet shoving range is considerably higher.
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