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Biggish early hand at Euro's - thoughts please?
deanp27:
as well as all the obvious hands (sets QJ AQ) the German could also have a hand like 7d 8d or 9d td - can"t see him having complete air here unless he is a nutter
JamieCarra:
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--- Quote ---The fact that we have blockers to AA abd KK is pretty irrelevent whenever the board also has blockers to QQ and JJ. Without knowing this guy personally I would have thought that he was more likely to flat dan"s open with QQ and JJ to try to induce a squeeze from the aggro german but would probably reraise with his overpairs which would make AA andKK more likely than QQ and JJ.
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i once used to use board cards for removal but got stung by sets lmao , so now i only use my cards pre-flop for card removal when trying to judge villain ranges, i do still factor in some removal for ranges post flop though if the board is paired but i try to do it with my reads on the villains and there tendencies.
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[ ] Makes sense
noble1:
--- Quote from: JamieCarra on November 30, 2009, 13:55:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 30, 2009, 13:43:35 PM ---
--- Quote ---The fact that we have blockers to AA abd KK is pretty irrelevent whenever the board also has blockers to QQ and JJ. Without knowing this guy personally I would have thought that he was more likely to flat dan"s open with QQ and JJ to try to induce a squeeze from the aggro german but would probably reraise with his overpairs which would make AA andKK more likely than QQ and JJ.
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i once used to use board cards for removal but got stung by sets lmao , so now i only use my cards pre-flop for card removal when trying to judge villain ranges, i do still factor in some removal for ranges post flop though if the board is paired but i try to do it with my reads on the villains and there tendencies.
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[ ] Makes sense
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[ ] jamieCarra considers all the angles
JamieCarra:
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 30, 2009, 14:01:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: JamieCarra on November 30, 2009, 13:55:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 30, 2009, 13:43:35 PM ---
--- Quote ---The fact that we have blockers to AA abd KK is pretty irrelevent whenever the board also has blockers to QQ and JJ. Without knowing this guy personally I would have thought that he was more likely to flat dan"s open with QQ and JJ to try to induce a squeeze from the aggro german but would probably reraise with his overpairs which would make AA andKK more likely than QQ and JJ.
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i once used to use board cards for removal but got stung by sets lmao , so now i only use my cards pre-flop for card removal when trying to judge villain ranges, i do still factor in some removal for ranges post flop though if the board is paired but i try to do it with my reads on the villains and there tendencies.
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[ ] Makes sense
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[ ] jamieCarra considers all the angles
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I was going to go for
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again but I"ll try this one instead....
[ ] Great comeback
deanp27:
--- Quote from: kinboshi on November 30, 2009, 13:44:13 PM ---
What more information do people need here to help with their decision?
For those saying shove (well, everyone really), what does the German 3-bet with on this flop with? I actually put him quite a wide range, with the worst I expect him to show being two pair - unless he"s betting with complete air. The bluff is part of his range, but I only expect to see it a small percentage of the time.
Foggy"s a decent player, and he knows me, so knows I"m not leading out OOP with bugger all on a flop with such a texture. So for him to raise me, he has TPTK or better (imo).
I think I posted the stack sizes earlier. The German has us both covered, and I am shorter than the other two - but obviously if I win an all-in coup then either would be pretty short.
Oh and I have a Royal Flush draw.
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just curious - you called preflop as UTG range is fairly strong. What was your plan when you lead the flop, was it to induce a raise?
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