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WYoung83:
 Your shove with any 2 is standard here. For the BB it is a math problem, if he is getting anywhere near 2-1 he should snap call without even looking. In this instance he has to call roughly 5k to win 7k. So he is getting almost 1.4-1. Not really a great price with trash.

It does not matter how much money he has behind for the math problem, just depends on his preference.  There is a hand similar to this in HOH vol 2. Harrington calls a shove from the big blind with j-6o. The table laughs when he turns over j6, and someone shouts "have you lost your marbles" but he was getting 1.6-1 so he wasnt bothered about his hand. And after that call, the other players gave him quite a few walks because they could see he was willing to call a shove with any 2. So even though he lost with the j6 show down (other guy had AK), he made profit over the next few orbits by getting walks, because no-one was willing to steal his blind.

kinboshi:

--- Quote from: WYoung83 on January 25, 2010, 17:52:49 PM ---
Your shove with any 2 is standard here. For the BB it is a math problem, if he is getting anywhere near 2-1 he should snap call without even looking. In this instance he has to call roughly 5k to win 7k. So he is getting almost 1.4-1. Not really a great price with trash.

It does not matter how much money he has behind for the math problem, just depends on his preference.  There is a hand similar to this in HOH vol 2. Harrington calls a shove from the big blind with j-6o. The table laughs when he turns over j6, and someone shouts "have you lost your marbles" but he was getting 1.6-1 so he wasnt bothered about his hand. And after that call, the other players gave him quite a few walks because they could see he was willing to call a shove with any 2. So even though he lost with the j6 show down (other guy had AK), he made profit over the next few orbits by getting walks, because no-one was willing to steal his blind.

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Talks sense that Harrington, doesn"t he?

;)

noble1:
so for the ATC brigade with 10bb from the button would u push 23o if u know that villains knows that u are pushing ATC?
in my opinion the right conditions must exist to make the strategy of shoving ATC effective , for example is it worth pushing ATC versus someone who is a clueless station?

HOH J6o
Calling with negative expectation is an option for me depending on my stack size, obv not an option if it cripples or ruins me.How much will it change my strategy in terms of the chips gained or lost is why i"d take a -ev punt every now and then.Image after comes into it but i think it depends on how good the players that u are up against.

LongshanksED:
harringtons J6 hand

was that not the hand he called when he used his 10-1 chip stack rule

if he has 10X more than his opponets stack then he"ll call the all in with any 2 - this hand he had aound 150k in chips and his opponent had around 12k

could be getting them mixed up

shozboy1:
i think you are right longshanks.

Noble, I agree I shoved ATC here because I felt the conditions were good. Picked someone who"d just chipped up albeit up to a marginal stack of 20BBs. He was generally predictable. I saw him fold to alot of flop 3bets generally.

Phil Laak once said "internet players have no clue when to show their cards"

Perhaps a show of my 1010 shove here 4 hands earlier would"ve cemented the guy folding. He tanked for 2-3 mins before making a "crying" call. I think this call, given what he should know about me was terrible

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