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can you fold here?

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noble1:
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1159.0

have a listen from 5 minutes in to his thoughts , lots of useful titbits in the video imho.. [and its free]

shozboy1:
you could probably raise 2.5k (stack maybe just about big enough for a raise/fold). If someone reshoves you can probably safely fold, as they"re shoving over a UTG raise close to the bubble. Plus no-one has really been out of line.

As is played, I would cbet the flop a healthy amount and be very happy to call for all my chips on the flop if i get 3bet. There"s probably alot of bad turn cards that could kill your action or have you beat. Hopefully you are ahead at the mo so get it in would be ok for me on this flop. It would be very difficult to assign him a narrow range based on a small blind call and check on the flop. You have to feel your ahead of lots of hands here

treydj:
thanks guys

after the flop - he checked to me.

I had roughly 12k behind

I had two options. check and take the free card or bet out - thus commiting myself .

I bet circa 3k - he shoved and I called - he showed A 9 for two pair and I"m gone.

My problem with the whole hand is I had such an awkward stack whatever I did pre flop (apart from fold which is way too weak) was commiting me to the hand.

His call from the SB was just terrible and I just could not put him on 2 pair.

In hindsight I think I just should have shoved

:-\

noble1:
prob get abuse by the shove brigade but i"ll write it anyway ;D

if i was u trey i"d look at all aspects of how u could improve your 10 to 20bb play... u still had a perfect stack to resteal with imho, was there any loose raisers or loose passive limping going on that u could took advantage of for example, were the players to your left overly tight [setting up easy blind stealing from the button] and vice versa when u was in the blinds could u steal there?
Personally my short stack threshold is 8 to 10bb cos it still has some FE imo , obv the later the shove the better and 1st in vigorous etc blah blah..
Obv all on dynamics etc and if u read that shoving utg would get called by worse aces etc because the players were calling silly light then chancing a double is up gr8 , but with this stack rather than pick up 1.5bb and 6antes why not look to resteal off a loose 3x raiser or 2 limpers etc and pick up more? use the FE u have that way? so u either pick up more like this if they fold or u double up if called, just seems a better use of your stack size imho...

anyhows thats my thoughts on it :)

Marty719:
Obv the stack will be used to 3-bet over ppl to pick up $ but I dnt see why tht affects our decision here.  We can still add a nice % of our stack w/ blinds and antes, and still have a nice 3-b shove stack for f/e.  We still want to be picking up valuable blinds and antes every step of the way.  2,100 is such a valuable % of our stack tht i think its a mistake not trying to pick it up.

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