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can you fold here?
LongshanksED:
Pre flop I have made it 4k to go (4bb) thus commiting to a shove pre. The 2.5x raise is giving the bb odds to call with a wide variety of hands as he"s getting nearly 3/1 odds.
Also if you have a multiple players preflop you can get away with it and still have 10bb to play with
Marty719:
--- Quote from: LongshanksED on January 28, 2010, 08:01:24 AM ---
Pre flop I have made it 4k to go (4bb) thus commiting to a shove pre. The 2.5x raise is giving the bb odds to call with a wide variety of hands as he"s getting nearly 3/1 odds.
Also if you have a multiple players preflop you can get away with it and still have 10bb to play with
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Y is 4x > shoving?? I think its the worst of the 3 agg options:
shove>2.5x>4x
George2Loose:
U have such an awkward stack size post flop and live players will peel so wide against a 20 BB stack it"s ridic. He should be setting you all in pre or folding.
SHOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shozboy1:
just on the issue of re-steals. Are you doing this with ATC? What I mean is the chances of a situation occurring where the time is ripe for a resteal, plus having a reasonableish hand to do it with often don"t occur together as we would want in an ideal world. Decent cards come along infrequently, but resteal spots appear more frequently. Hence shove resteals with ATC is the way forward no?
What I"m saying in a long winded way is am i right in saying the situation (late pos loose raiser/multiple passive limpers etc etc) is many times more important then your starting hand? i.e do those more experienced then me resteal with 72o as often as A10 when the time is right?
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: shozboy1 on January 28, 2010, 11:29:19 AM ---
just on the issue of re-steals. Are you doing this with ATC? What I mean is the chances of a situation occurring where the time is ripe for a resteal, plus having a reasonableish hand to do it with often don"t occur together as we would want in an ideal world. Decent cards come along infrequently, but resteal spots appear more frequently. Hence shove resteals with ATC is the way forward no?
What I"m saying in a long winded way is am i right in saying the situation (late pos loose raiser/multiple passive limpers etc etc) is many times more important then your starting hand? i.e do those more experienced then me resteal with 72o as often as A10 when the time is right?
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Really is villian dependant. Most of the time capable players aren"t raise/folding a 15bb stack so you have to assess their range against the range your willing to shove for value.
Problem for both players is playing a flop post flop with very small effective stack sizes which is why in these situations I will just open ship almost all of my range for value.
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