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shozboy1:
This is a cash game hand played. I was dealt JJ and am up against a villain who"d only been sat at the table 7 hands. This was the 1st hand he played. I"ve left out what I did on the turn so to allow others to chip in on the best play...

PokerStars Game #40368322229:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/26 21:23:52 WET [2010/02/26 16:23:52 ET]
Table "Auravictrix II" 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: shozboy ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 2: jlewis10748 ($105.25 in chips)
Seat 3: djordjevic s ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 4: madlaxlefty ($78.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Vipercheers ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 7: zbpoker ($50 in chips)
Seat 9: ricecooka972 ($50 in chips)
Vipercheers: posts small blind $0.25
zbpoker: posts big blind $0.50
Buckiz09: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shozboy [Jd Js]
ricecooka972: folds
shozboy: raises $1 to $1.50
jlewis10748: folds
djordjevic s: folds
madlaxlefty: folds
Vipercheers: folds
zbpoker: raises $4 to $5.50
shozboy: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [6c 9h 2c]
zbpoker: bets $6
shozboy: calls $6
*** TURN *** [6c 9h 2c] [8c]
zbpoker: bets $12

WYoung83:
 No reads on the opponent and i would of just have flatted his repop pre flop, it kind of disguises your hand and you are crushing hands like 10s and slightly in front of AK for now, but of course way behind to bigger pairs. So on the flop i think i would use my position as an advantadge by repoping him to $16 or so, if he shoves on this board i think we should assume he had a higher pair most of the time (i dont know if he is capable of getting crazy with AK) and maybe i would fold, which would still leave 60% of my stack, the trouble comes when he fires the 2nd barrell on a good turn for jacks, its very unlikly to have helped him unless he was standard c betting with 88 or AK of clubs, if i cant lay down an over pair on turn then i shouldnt flat call because too much of my stack is in the pot now for the river and i think im just going to shove remaining stack in the middle.

Im not a good cash game player, thats why i come on this thread to see how others play their problem hands, but i understand that i would rather put pressure on opponent rather than pot commit myself on turn and have to fold on the river.

TheSnapper:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from >>FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($50.85)
MP2 ($105.25)
CO ($21.15)
Button ($78.20)
SB ($29.50)
BB ($50)
UTG ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J
1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, 4 folds, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($11.25) 6, 9, 2 (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($23.25) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $12

Total pot: $23.25

This is how the hand presents when converted at FTR ( link is top right) Imho much easier to disect in this format.

A small thing is your open raise size. From early and mid positions make it $1.75, a PSB, and in the CO and BTN when you"re raising lighter, more often, and having to fold more to 3bets its profitable to reduce your raise size to $1.50.

So no reads on villain and vice versa! calling the 3 bet ip is standard but with a plan as to how you proceed i.e. not stacking off with just an overpair. A nice flop for JJ but raising is bad, you will fold out hands you beat etc etc.


--- Quote from: WYoung83 on February 26, 2010, 22:07:58 PM ---
i think i would use my position as an advantadge by repoping him to $16 or so, if he shoves on this board i think we should assume he had a higher pair most of the time (i dont know if he is capable of getting crazy with AK) and maybe i would fold, which would still leave 60% of my stack, the trouble comes when he fires the 2nd barrell on a good turn for jacks, its very unlikly to have helped him unless he was standard c betting with 88 or AK of clubs
--- End quote ---


Positional advantage means we don"t have to raise the flop, when we call he must act first on the turn and in many ways a flat call is way stronger. So with no reads I think calling is best with a view to folding to a reasonable turn bet. If the pot gets big we are most likely behind.

On the turn the villain bets full pot into an unknown. I definately fold.

shozboy1:
Ok, the turn bet was half pot here though

TheSnapper:

--- Quote from: shozboy1 on February 26, 2010, 23:05:03 PM ---
Ok, the turn bet was half pot here though

--- End quote ---

oops missed that. Wow thats tough, looks a scared blocker type bet. The thing is though, I would think you"re still behind and the flush has either scared him or, less often, hit him. Against some it is a great spot to bluff raise all in, but you cant know if he"s capable of folding. Getting 3/1 and unlikely to face a bet on the river unless he has a monster I may make a crying call but not liking the spot just the same.

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