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Marty719:
Noble, u wrote tht u think his turn range is either total air or a flush draw. Villain has enough back to fold any flush draw (we cnt just assume he is bad enough to stack off). If this is his perceived range thn calling is a superior option as it allows us to maximise value. In cash - our aim is to maximise value. In a tournament - survival is a bigger concept so we may feel we can shove for protection on the turn. Also IMHO turn is still a fold.

noble1:
total air no reads he probably does not 3barrel...
flush draw he has put in 1/2 his stack,and u think at 0.25/0.50 they dont spazz off to a rr , why call when we are ahead?? and allow him a cheap river card,with a possible 2overs and FD? this is not the best way to get value marty..
You really need to stop feeling the need to be right, as opposed to offering a logical counterpoint or argument..
If we only call turn, he"s probably going to play perfectly, meaning he"ll fold every worst hand on the river but never any better hands.


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shozboy1:
I agree with you noble about 3betting all in on the turn - which is what I did. I dont mind my call in position of the 3bet pfr though to be honest. If I come over top of his preflop 3bet and he moves all in, I"m now committed to putting 100ish BBs in with JJ. I"m probably not going to be good alot of the time. I first have to pray I"m flipping, with that prayer answered, I then have to pray I win the race!

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