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was this correct ?
RioRodent:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on March 12, 2010, 16:04:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 12, 2010, 15:51:31 PM ---
depending where he is on the table he may not be accurately able to see how much you have. Therefore if you are not going to oblige by simply telling how much you have then the best alternative is for the dealer to count it down on your behalf - don"t really see what problem you can have with it.
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I don"t have a problem with a dealer counting them if HE"S asked to, I just don"t want him reaching into my stack without this request.
In any case the sequence should always be:
V: How much to you have behind?
H: This much (gesturing to properly stacked chips)
V: I"m sorry, I can"t see that far (should have gone to Specsavers)
H: No problem, I"ve got xxxxxx
Followed by
V: Thanks very much...I fold.
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Unaccustomed as I am to disagreeing... the highlighted statement is just incorrect. You have no obligation to say anything in answer to any other players questions.
However, I agree that the dealer shouldn"t provide the count unless specifically asked.
Paulie_D:
OK, perhaps ALWAYS was a bit much...i was just trying to provide an example.
Do we agree that a player is entitled to a count of your stack?
I think the answer is "Yes" but I"m having trouble finding it anywhere in the rules.
If we accept that, then someone has to count it. I"m on the side of the requested player providing the count of his own chips rather than the dealer....but if he won"t answer then the dealer should do it (on request).
EDIT
Found this somewhere else..
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My understanding is that traditionally, the player is merely entitled to a clear view of the chips and nothing more.
Robert"s states that chips must be in plain view, and while it doesn"t state that a player is entitled to a count, it doesn"t explicitly prohibit it, either. Many house policies are that they must be cleanly stacked. Some do have policy that if the player doesn"t count it then the dealer should, but this is by no means the norm.
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pokerpops:
The Central Oregon Poker Knights make it pretty clear..
http://centraloregonpokerknights.com/rules.htm
Specifically...
"Chip Count. A player involved in a hand is entitled to ask how many chips an opponent has. If a player does not wish to respond verbally to such a request, the dealer shall count the player's chips and respond to the question. [Source: WPA]"
I don"t see why this is an issue in any event? Does the dealer touching our stack upset the positive force field we"ve created by stacking the chips along a ley line?
Swinebag:
this all seems pretty academic to me, but I"ll reply (in Brian style)
The player has a RIGHT to know the oppos chip stack. The oppo can keep his mouth shut, if he chooses to, but MUST then leave his chips FULLY visible for the player to count
If player or dealer are not able to ascertain the stack size down to the last chip, then the dealer can SURELY do whatever he needs to, to give this information to the player requesting it. If this means touching your chips, then so be it.
coming from an online background, where stack sizes are clearly in view, I dont have a problem in live games, counting my chips out (it doesn"t normally take me long..LOL) when requested.
@ Brian. Do you feel you are giving up info or tells by counting out? If so then I understand your line. If not then why not count out / tell the man and keep the game moving?
Honeybadg:
... what do you do if:
a/ you cannot count
b/ the dealer cannot count
I think I would usually tell people how many chips I had due to the potential boredom of the dealer having to count them ...
I think it is reasonable to lie about the number of chips you have if they are clearly in view, or if you have forgotten, or is the Villain is clearly just trying to deliver a speech ...
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