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opinions on this hand please
AMRN:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on June 01, 2010, 22:50:35 PM ---
Big stacks move is in the face of multiple action and knowing he has to show his cards. Unless he"s totally clueless, his range is strong enough that we are flipping at best.
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I would suspect that his isolating range would be as wide as 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ..... 10 hands of which we crush 4, are crushed by 3, split with 1, and ahead of 2 (may be well ahead if outs are missing).
Folding for the ladder is ok, but calling with a view to taking a mahoosive pot and setting up for first place also has to be ok..? Surely there"s enough of his range that we are in good shape against, even if it is potentially only for the (large) side pot.
AJDUK:
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 01, 2010, 22:30:17 PM ---
I think that generally the "shove to isolate" range of the big stack is likely to contain a heck of a lot of hands that JJ beats, and if he has AK/AQ, he may well be short of outs given the other action. I would call, and expect to at least be playing for a significant side pot, if not the whole pot.
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You are probably right - but "probably" is my problem here. Without any info it"s purely speculation and to me it"s a fold, bank the info, and try to get my money in first if poss. There"s plenty of times I"ve been told at a new table that I wouldn"t have made that call if I"d seen the guy play previously. Too late when I"m walking out the door!
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on June 01, 2010, 22:50:35 PM ---
Big stacks move is in the face of multiple action and knowing he has to show his cards. Unless he"s totally clueless, his range is strong enough that we are flipping at best.
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Might see 88 99 TT too, but I agree with the point that he"d have to be clueless to show down anything other than a decent hand.
I expect you to tell us you folded Brian.
BOINGBLITZ:
My take on it was this.
The UTG limper HAS to have a monster, THAT can be the only reason he didn"t move all-in. And he is OBVIOUSLY calling.
The other all-in move is standard and I am probably ahead of him so against those two, I am prepared to call.
When the big-stack shoves, he either has a medium pair or a monster. Either way, I am in a dilemna as he can bust me.
If he busts all 3 of us, then I would finish 7th as I have more chips at the start of the hand. If I pass, I can ladder and pick a better spot to get my chips in.
I feel that if I call, I have little chance of a favourable outcome as unless the board is 10-high, I am likely behind.
Despite my lack of history against this big-stack, I decide that he ISN"T weak and that I will find a better spot.... and I pass.
The outcome of the hand follows next.
BOINGBLITZ:
The UTG limper......FOLDS !!!......he had A-J and left himself with just 37k !!
The short-stack shows A-10 and the monster stack, who I folded J-J to had..........Q-Q.
Board came K-7-6-4-Q and so instead of being out in 8th, I lived to fight another day.
I got down to 5-handed where we did a deal that gave us all £2k and we then played for the remaining £2090.
With 4 left I re-shoved into the (still) big-stack with........wait for it.......J-J and he called with A-2.......Flop is 2-A-4 and so J-J knocks me out anyway !!
Consolation was the deal as 4th wouldv"e paid £1260. I thought it was a massive error on the part of the guy who brokered it as he was chip-leader and never once mentioned doing a deal that related to chip-counts.
Appreciate the feedback guys, as always.
Mikeyboy9361:
My take on that was the limper would be disguising a monster, and had to ship his remaining 37K. Once the CL pushes, I would have thought about calling and then folded, as on the final table I like to get my chips in on my terms, and also I am about to ladder up 2 positions and still have a playable stack.
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