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opinions on this hand please
deanp27:
--- Quote from: BOINGBLITZ on June 01, 2010, 22:00:07 PM ---
blinds at 5k/10k/1k ante.
UTG - a decent player flat calls with only 37k behind him.
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he might be decent but may need to polish up his short stack skills
cincicrappykid:
LOL BLATANT BRAG POST SO SAD
AMRN:
--- Quote from: BOINGBLITZ on June 02, 2010, 01:17:29 AM ---
The UTG limper......FOLDS !!!......he had A-J and left himself with just 37k !!
The short-stack shows A-10 and the monster stack, who I folded J-J to had..........Q-Q.
Board came K-7-6-4-Q and so instead of being out in 8th, I lived to fight another day.
I got down to 5-handed where we did a deal that gave us all £2k and we then played for the remaining £2090.
With 4 left I re-shoved into the (still) big-stack with........wait for it.......J-J and he called with A-2.......Flop is 2-A-4 and so J-J knocks me out anyway !!
Consolation was the deal as 4th wouldv"e paid £1260. I thought it was a massive error on the part of the guy who brokered it as he was chip-leader and never once mentioned doing a deal that related to chip-counts.
Appreciate the feedback guys, as always.
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thing is, I knew this outcome of the hand, but still maintained my position as to have claimed differently would just be results oriented.
I still say calling is the +EV option.... OK, this time the big stack happened to have something near the top end of his range, but his range is substantially wide enough that JJ is generally in good shape.... and given the other action, he may also be short of overcard outs. The range and holding of the short stacks are irrelevant, other than the fact that they could be taking outs away from the big stack.
manchestercarl:
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 02, 2010, 11:42:54 AM ---
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thing is, I knew this outcome of the hand, but still maintained my position as to have claimed differently would just be results oriented.
I still say calling is the +EV option.... OK, this time the big stack happened to have something near the top end of his range, but his range is substantially wide enough that JJ is generally in good shape.... and given the other action, he may also be short of overcard outs. The range and holding of the short stacks are irrelevant, other than the fact that they could be taking outs away from the big stack.
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Not sure I agree with this^^^
My take would be that it is fair to assume the general table consensus is that the initial limper is "a decent player" (as was the opinion of the op). I would therefore be inclinded to think that the majority of the table put the initial limpers range as "probably a monster, but at the very least committed to a "gamble".
This is then followed by a push all-in.
After this action, I don"t think the big stack would be attempting to isolate... I would have to think that the big stack has woken up with a monster (of which qq and AK are the very bottom of his range)
JJ is now a small to middling pair and a very quick pass for me
AMRN:
--- Quote from: manchestercarl on June 02, 2010, 12:07:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 02, 2010, 11:42:54 AM ---
thing is, I knew this outcome of the hand, but still maintained my position as to have claimed differently would just be results oriented.
I still say calling is the +EV option.... OK, this time the big stack happened to have something near the top end of his range, but his range is substantially wide enough that JJ is generally in good shape.... and given the other action, he may also be short of overcard outs. The range and holding of the short stacks are irrelevant, other than the fact that they could be taking outs away from the big stack.
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Not sure I agree with this^^^
My take would be that it is fair to assume the general table consensus is that the initial limper is "a decent player" (as was the opinion of the op). I would therefore be inclinded to think that the majority of the table put the initial limpers range as "probably a monster, but at the very least committed to a "gamble".
This is then followed by a push all-in.
After this action, I don"t think the big stack would be attempting to isolate... I would have to think that the big stack has woken up with a monster (of which qq and AK are the very bottom of his range)
JJ is now a small to middling pair and a very quick pass for me
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so if you were a mahoosive stack in late position, and two micro-stacks get all in (assume the limper is putting the rest in).... and you look down at a small/medium pair, you wouldn"t fancy taking the gamble to knock out two players, knowing that losing the hand wouldn"t do you any material damage? The only way you can play in this spot though is to isolate as any kind of funky flat call invites the shove from behind.
I think that reading his range as only QQ/AK/KK/AA is way to restrictive.
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