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Calling 'clock'
HaworthBantam:
--- Quote from: WiseOwl on November 14, 2007, 14:43:54 PM ---
Also, should APAT produce a crib sheet for the Self-deal tournaments outlining what the dealer is expected to do and what should be left to the TD?
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I give out a list of rules to all the dealers at the tournaments that I TD - these are not BIG tournaments, I hasten to add. The final rule gives details of what the dealers are responsible for:-
a. Ensuring the running of the game as quickly and efficiently as possible.
b. Shuffling of the deck and ensuring that blinds are posted.
c. Dealing the cards to the players.
d. Dealing the flop, turn and river after burning a card prior to each round.
e. Prompting players to act when it is their turn.
f. Announcing all raises, calls or checks.
g. Ensuring that the correct number of chips go into the pot.
h. Ensuring that all main pots and side pots are kept separate and contain the correct number of chips.
i. Awarding the pot(s) to the winning player(s) of each hand.
j. Announcing when a card has been exposed, and which card it is. If any player exposes a card at the end of a hand to another player then that card must be shown to all players at the table.
These are pretty much common sense things. My suggestion would be that if anything occurs outside this range then it should be referred to the TD.
Just to be sure everyone understands, these are my instructions at my tournaments, not APATs .
Ian
BioBlinx:
I"ve had the clock called on me in the past. Not in an APAT tournament I dont think, but in other tournaments. It also seems that once they"ve called the clock on you once they do it again and again even when you"ve had no time to think on a decision.
I always sit around waiting for the end of the time period once a clock has been called on me, and if I didnt agree with the clock being called, I"ll make it known that I"m p***ing away the time too.
I personally dont call clocks myself, I let my opponents decide, and I certainly dont think about calling clocks when I"m not in the hand. I dont think its right so long as the player hasnt take like 5 minutes thinking time.
WarBwastardo:
This happened to me in the Luton event. I was in the hand and had put a guy all-in, he took a few minutes to think about it and another player suggested I ask for a clock, which I didn"t want to do cause I was on a steal and didn"t want to look weak. I"d be quite happy if other players not involved in the hand could call the clock, everyone has a vested interest in every hand. The blinds go up and short stacks want the game to progress.
I do think some players are a little impatient though, I think you have to bear in mind that a lot of the APAT live games are played by players who are predominantly online players who expect all decisions to be made in 20 seconds as that"s all you get online, so when they play live and see players taking a few minutes it seems unreasonable.
Jon MW:
I"ve seen the rule that only players involved in the hand can call the clock and I think it"s a good one.
In Brighton there were some players who took a very, very long time to make a couple of decisions and nobody called a clock on them - which I think is a good indication of how it was, mainly, a very good natured tournament with nobody looking to sneak an edge in.
I"ve had the clock called on me twice - one of those was when we were down to 3 tables at the Razz WSOP and I was chip leader (not all that information is strictly necessary for context, but I thought I"d add it anyway). It was probably a good job that the clock was called in that instance though - because I didn"t realise that it was my turn to act :D
JayCbee:
I know the rules and I dont like them - heres why.
At the regional on Saturday I was the short stack on my table with 2 tables left.
There was 1 hand where UTG moved all in with a shortish stack (I also folded from early postion).
The small blind then took at least 5 minutes (if not more) to fold.
Once he had folded the BB then said "How much?" then took at least another 5 minutes to fold.
As I was already out of the hand I knew I couldnt call clock but with the next blind level fast approaching I was concious that I was the one who would be most impacted by the change of ante.
I sat there in disbelief and very nearly broke the rule to call time. The BB then taking another 5 minutes beggared belief. How much? - you are having a laugh. He shoudl have been completely ready for his decision either way (if the SB called or raised or folded). His actions should have been ready for all outcomes of the SB decision.
So - Im not in the hand but Im the one it affects the most re the changing blinds at a critical time in my tournament.
Thoughts?
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