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Calling 'clock'
WiseOwl:
--- Quote from: HaworthBantam on November 14, 2007, 14:57:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: WiseOwl on November 14, 2007, 14:43:54 PM ---
Also, should APAT produce a crib sheet for the Self-deal tournaments outlining what the dealer is expected to do and what should be left to the TD?
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I give out a list of rules to all the dealers at the tournaments that I TD - these are not BIG tournaments, I hasten to add. The final rule gives details of what the dealers are responsible for:-
a. Ensuring the running of the game as quickly and efficiently as possible.
b. Shuffling of the deck and ensuring that blinds are posted.
c. Dealing the cards to the players.
d. Dealing the flop, turn and river after burning a card prior to each round.
e. Prompting players to act when it is their turn.
f. Announcing all raises, calls or checks.
g. Ensuring that the correct number of chips go into the pot.
h. Ensuring that all main pots and side pots are kept separate and contain the correct number of chips.
i. Awarding the pot(s) to the winning player(s) of each hand.
j. Announcing when a card has been exposed, and which card it is. If any player exposes a card at the end of a hand to another player then that card must be shown to all players at the table.
These are pretty much common sense things. My suggestion would be that if anything occurs outside this range then it should be referred to the TD.
Just to be sure everyone understands, these are my instructions at my tournaments, not APATs .
Ian
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Ian,
Excellent, just the sort of list I was alluding to. In my experience at the 2 regional tournaments at the Vic, somebody who is new to dealing confines themselves to items c and d only. As you are a Regional Manager, is there any chance that you can get this issue debated within APAT in time for the next Regionals in December?
duke3016:
--- Quote from: JayCbee on November 14, 2007, 16:25:04 PM ---
I know the rules and I dont like them - heres why.
At the regional on Saturday I was the short stack on my table with 2 tables left.
There was 1 hand where UTG moved all in with a shortish stack (I also folded from early postion).
The small blind then took at least 5 minutes (if not more) to fold.
Once he had folded the BB then said "How much?" then took at least another 5 minutes to fold.
As I was already out of the hand I knew I couldnt call clock but with the next blind level fast approaching I was concious that I was the one who would be most impacted by the change of ante.
I sat there in disbelief and very nearly broke the rule to call time. The BB then taking another 5 minutes beggared belief. How much? - you are having a laugh. He shoudl have been completely ready for his decision either way (if the SB called or raised or folded). His actions should have been ready for all outcomes of the SB decision.
So - Im not in the hand but Im the one it affects the most re the changing blinds at a critical time in my tournament.
Thoughts?
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Are they the sort of people, that if you want them to laugh on a Monday, you tell them a joke on the Friday.............
HaworthBantam:
--- Quote from: WiseOwl on November 14, 2007, 16:30:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: HaworthBantam on November 14, 2007, 14:57:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: WiseOwl on November 14, 2007, 14:43:54 PM ---
Also, should APAT produce a crib sheet for the Self-deal tournaments outlining what the dealer is expected to do and what should be left to the TD?
--- End quote ---
I give out a list of rules to all the dealers at the tournaments that I TD - these are not BIG tournaments, I hasten to add. The final rule gives details of what the dealers are responsible for:-
a. Ensuring the running of the game as quickly and efficiently as possible.
b. Shuffling of the deck and ensuring that blinds are posted.
c. Dealing the cards to the players.
d. Dealing the flop, turn and river after burning a card prior to each round.
e. Prompting players to act when it is their turn.
f. Announcing all raises, calls or checks.
g. Ensuring that the correct number of chips go into the pot.
h. Ensuring that all main pots and side pots are kept separate and contain the correct number of chips.
i. Awarding the pot(s) to the winning player(s) of each hand.
j. Announcing when a card has been exposed, and which card it is. If any player exposes a card at the end of a hand to another player then that card must be shown to all players at the table.
These are pretty much common sense things. My suggestion would be that if anything occurs outside this range then it should be referred to the TD.
Just to be sure everyone understands, these are my instructions at my tournaments, not APATs .
Ian
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Ian,
Excellent, just the sort of list I was alluding to. In my experience at the 2 regional tournaments at the Vic, somebody who is new to dealing confines themselves to items c and d only. As you are a Regional Manager, is there any chance that you can get this issue debated within APAT in time for the next Regionals in December?
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I"m not so sure that we can ask or tell somebody, who is volunteering to deal, to follow these guidelines. Playing, dealing, and keeping control of a table can seriously affect your own game.
If any player who volunteers wants to use these guidelines then fair enough, but I"d feel a little uncomfortable telling volunteer dealers to use them.
Ian
Ken Jude:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 14, 2007, 13:01:11 PM ---
He said that anyone can call the clock and as he had a FT hockey top on didn"t question his knowledge.
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Should have had him ejected. No sports tops allowed at Luton!
biffa85:
I personally won"t call a clock unless A) I was in the hand, B) The person had been given several minutes to think things through, (in the case mentioned regarding SB taking 5 mins, then I would probably only wait a further minute for the BB) C) The person is talking or otherwise obviously not sat there with a dilema.
I would also think about how the person plays most hands and take that into consideration before calling a clock. i.e. if the majority of hands are acted upon quite quickly, then they deserve more leaway on the few that need extra time.
I have during both regionals and the national had the odd hand that needed this extra time, and fortunately for me have never had the clock called.
;D
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