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Calling 'clock'
George2Loose:
Not read any posts so apologise if repetiton.
My view is you can call clock if you"re sat on the table. Just cos you"re not in the hand u still have avested interest esp. if you"re short stacked.
I don"t mind when a player has a big decision giving them a bit of time but what annoys me is "serial time wasters" who take absoloutely ages to make any decision- instead of getting a decent amount of hands per level ur at a disadantage cos someone takes 5 mins everytime. Annoying!!!
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2007, 16:50:42 PM ---
Not read any posts so apologise if repetiton.
My view is you can call clock if you"re sat on the table. Just cos you"re not in the hand u still have avested interest esp. if you"re short stacked.
I don"t mind when a player has a big decision giving them a bit of time but what annoys me is "serial time wasters" who take absoloutely ages to make any decision- instead of getting a decent amount of hands per level ur at a disadantage cos someone takes 5 mins everytime. Annoying!!!
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Might be your opinion, but not within APAT rules.
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on November 15, 2007, 17:52:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2007, 16:50:42 PM ---
Not read any posts so apologise if repetiton.
My view is you can call clock if you"re sat on the table. Just cos you"re not in the hand u still have avested interest esp. if you"re short stacked.
I don"t mind when a player has a big decision giving them a bit of time but what annoys me is "serial time wasters" who take absoloutely ages to make any decision- instead of getting a decent amount of hands per level ur at a disadantage cos someone takes 5 mins everytime. Annoying!!!
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Might be your opinion, but not within APAT rules.
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Yup but this is where the standardised rules comes into play again. You SHOULD be able to call time if your sat on a table and not in the hand
Hypothetical example. Blinds 200/400- about to go up in 12 mins
Ur stack is 3200- u still just about have fold equity.
Two players in a pot one is taking AGES but the othe rperson in the hand is showing no indication of calling time. Suddenly your number of big blinds is potentially going from 8 to just over 4 cos you have no power to call time. Is this right???
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2007, 19:19:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on November 15, 2007, 17:52:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2007, 16:50:42 PM ---
Not read any posts so apologise if repetiton.
My view is you can call clock if you"re sat on the table. Just cos you"re not in the hand u still have avested interest esp. if you"re short stacked.
I don"t mind when a player has a big decision giving them a bit of time but what annoys me is "serial time wasters" who take absoloutely ages to make any decision- instead of getting a decent amount of hands per level ur at a disadantage cos someone takes 5 mins everytime. Annoying!!!
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Might be your opinion, but not within APAT rules.
--- End quote ---
Yup but this is where the standardised rules comes into play again. You SHOULD be able to call time if your sat on a table and not in the hand
Hypothetical example. Blinds 200/400- about to go up in 12 mins
Ur stack is 3200- u still just about have fold equity.
Two players in a pot one is taking AGES but the othe rperson in the hand is showing no indication of calling time. Suddenly your number of big blinds is potentially going from 8 to just over 4 cos you have no power to call time. Is this right???
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If you don"t let anybody at the table call the clock then some people could take advantage like this.
If you let anybody at the the table call the clock then some people could take advantage by continually calling it on people - either way could be taken advantage of. However, I think that the imperative should be that if somebody has a difficult decision to make then they should, by and large, have as much time as they need to make it - this is favoured by restricting the number of people who can call they clock.
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on November 16, 2007, 09:28:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2007, 19:19:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on November 15, 2007, 17:52:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2007, 16:50:42 PM ---
Not read any posts so apologise if repetiton.
My view is you can call clock if you"re sat on the table. Just cos you"re not in the hand u still have avested interest esp. if you"re short stacked.
I don"t mind when a player has a big decision giving them a bit of time but what annoys me is "serial time wasters" who take absoloutely ages to make any decision- instead of getting a decent amount of hands per level ur at a disadantage cos someone takes 5 mins everytime. Annoying!!!
--- End quote ---
Might be your opinion, but not within APAT rules.
--- End quote ---
Yup but this is where the standardised rules comes into play again. You SHOULD be able to call time if your sat on a table and not in the hand
Hypothetical example. Blinds 200/400- about to go up in 12 mins
Ur stack is 3200- u still just about have fold equity.
Two players in a pot one is taking AGES but the othe rperson in the hand is showing no indication of calling time. Suddenly your number of big blinds is potentially going from 8 to just over 4 cos you have no power to call time. Is this right???
--- End quote ---
If you don"t let anybody at the table call the clock then some people could take advantage like this.
If you let anybody at the the table call the clock then some people could take advantage by continually calling it on people - either way could be taken advantage of. However, I think that the imperative should be that if somebody has a difficult decision to make then they should, by and large, have as much time as they need to make it - this is favoured by restricting the number of people who can call they clock.
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How would u then deal with hypothetical sitution above? Just accept that your dwindling stack is going to get weaker???
Personally whenever I have played live or at an APAT national people have always respected difiicult decisions and only called clock when sufficient time has been taken.
I called the clock once in Luton on the bubble- the guy had taken around 5 mins to make a decision and I wanted to put pressure on him (I was i the hand) The dealer said that because the decision was for his tournament that he had not yet had enough time.
Again going back to the standerdised rules discussion- shoudl clock be called by the dealer or TD rather than the players?
Online you get a certain amount to act and the a time bank? Is this a model that could be adapted for the live game?
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