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How do we maximise value here?
TheSnapper:
Based on some assumptions....
* Mouth is a good thinking player
* Mouth views Steve as a a good thinking player
* Steve is Never folding
Based on recent history Steve is at the top end of what villain perceives as his range, I also think villain"s range for flatting the 4 bet ip is wider than some give credit for. Would you 100% 5 bet AA here versus a somewhat adjusted 4 bet range?
So lets give villain a wide range of AA,KdKh,QQ-JJ,AJs+,AKo.
AA,KdKh,QQ are felting no matter what the action. Maybe some case for villain being able to get away from AA but not much.
JJ,AcJc,AhJh,AsJs, fold or get jiggy, weak lead is good.
AcKc,AhKh,AsKs,AcQc,AhQh,AsQs,AKo, may call a small single street bet ip, weak lead is good.
The rest are strong draws & combos that can fold to significant action, semi bluff ship or more likely, take the excellent odds a weak lead offers by flatting.
I prefer the weak ~18k lead but its very marginally preferable to shipping (yes shipping, you"re either getting action or not no matter what betsize other than the weak inducing size) which is often perceived weaker.
A tighter preflop range for villain though and I think I prefer shipping.
Nice betsizing all round btw wp.
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 12, 2010, 19:20:12 PM ---
OK here"s how it played out.....
I went for the line of the weak small donk bet to try and induce a shove by offering apparent fold equity..... I lead out for 12k into the 56k pot, and she snap-folded.
At the time, my railer suggested the small bet was not the optimal play and we debated for a while.... hence posting it here for review.
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results orientated ldo
mouth146:
hello boys :)
I was notified by a friend that this hand was being discussed so thought i"d pop along and have a look. Unfortunately all this talk of VPIP IDO 3bet and more has left me confused and disorientated, so much so it took me a while to remember what I had in this particular hand.
AS George pointed out, I am indeed a woman, and obviously I therefore only really play the top ten starting hands, with which I limp call every raise pre, then proceed to check call all bets on flop, turn and river. without a second thought as to whether I may be ahead or behind. Top pair FTW!
In this particular hand I had actually found myself with a red and black ace. Now, call me tight as a drum (a washing machine drum) but I really only like to get involved with pretty hands, such as two red aces or even two black ones, I"m all for equality. But a red and a black one - it just didn"t sit well with me.
However, the flop came and of course the cards on it were irellevant, as everyone knows aces can"t be beaten, so i prepared to flat call of the bets until the river, when obviuosly I would win. Then the most awful thing happened!
The glass of neat gin I was drinking slipped out of my hand (I always get slightly sweaty palms during a final table) and fell onto the computer desk: the glass smashed and gin went everywhere, including all over my mouse mat, and as I went to call, the mouse slipped and accidentally clicked the fold button!
GUtted doesn"t even begin to cover it. Obv I would have won and in turn won the whole comp, but unfortunately this incident put me on tilt so much I went allin the next hand with KK which was called by AJ, who hit a Jack on the flop, and of course an obligatory jack on the river. MBN.
NOte to self - keep gin well away from PC in future. Oh and don"t come on forums where you haven"t got a clue what they"re on about either.
Anyone who has shares in a gin factory, or who understands what this thread is about feel free to get in touch via my blog - http://gob****eonlegs.blogspot.com/
kisses xx
deanp27:
bet small ftw
duke3016:
--- Quote from: mouth146 on October 12, 2010, 20:16:57 PM ---
hello boys :)
I was notified by a friend that this hand was being discussed so thought i"d pop along and have a look. Unfortunately all this talk of VPIP IDO 3bet and more has left me confused and disorientated, so much so it took me a while to remember what I had in this particular hand.
AS George pointed out, I am indeed a woman, and obviously I therefore only really play the top ten starting hands, with which I limp call every raise pre, then proceed to check call all bets on flop, turn and river. without a second thought as to whether I may be ahead or behind. Top pair FTW!
In this particular hand I had actually found myself with a red and black ace. Now, call me tight as a drum (a washing machine drum) but I really only like to get involved with pretty hands, such as two red aces or even two black ones, I"m all for equality. But a red and a black one - it just didn"t sit well with me.
However, the flop came and of course the cards on it were irellevant, as everyone knows aces can"t be beaten, so i prepared to flat call of the bets until the river, when obviuosly I would win. Then the most awful thing happened!
The glass of neat gin I was drinking slipped out of my hand (I always get slightly sweaty palms during a final table) and fell onto the computer desk: the glass smashed and gin went everywhere, including all over my mouse mat, and as I went to call, the mouse slipped and accidentally clicked the fold button!
GUtted doesn"t even begin to cover it. Obv I would have won and in turn won the whole comp, but unfortunately this incident put me on tilt so much I went allin the next hand with KK which was called by AJ, who hit a Jack on the flop, and of course an obligatory jack on the river. MBN.
NOte to self - keep gin well away from PC in future. Oh and don"t come on forums where you haven"t got a clue what they"re on about either.
Anyone who has shares in a gin factory, or who understands what this thread is about feel free to get in touch via my blog - http://gob****eonlegs.blogspot.com/
kisses xx
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This post deserves lots of love IMO - Nice one Caroline
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