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Cash Game Hand on Betfair - I have QQ.
PantsMan:
I agree with others that your 3 bet size is too small PF. Guess it depends why you"re 3 betting. To get more money in the pot or to get rid of players with drawing hands.
Not sure i agree with Steve (AMRN) about two callers making the table a bit fishy. The first caller is getting nearly 3 to 1 (1.40 into 4.10) and once he calls the second caller is getting nearly 4 to 1 (1.40 into 4.50). The 3 better doesn"t necessarily have to have a big hand and if the pot is 5.50 and i have to bet 1.40 to call i"m not going anwhere with any hand i called the original raise with.
Once the flop comes down i"m going nowhere with the Queens. If he"s got kings he"s re-popping pre so there"s only one card to worry about and if he"s got the ace, he"s got the ace, so be it. I"m betting every street. Definitely not checking the turn and definitely not putting in such a small bet on the river. I"m happy to get all my stack in here. If he"s got lucky, fair play to him.
Waz1892:
Agree now with pre flop bet, but I think he"d call anyway with AJ.
I guess in summary i played the hand to scared and shouldn"t worry if he has KK or Ax - If he has that"s poker.
I guess i"m losing value by not getting it all in and winning most of the time by getting called with most hands, as the money "saved" by playing safe / scared / nitty doesn"t offset the money i would normal win when getting called dwon by weaker pairs.
Cheers for feedback
8)
noble1:
pretty much disagree with most of the thread :)
Full ring and 3bet squeeze utg1 raiser and utg2 caller, no reads!! full ring is usually full of rocks/nits, Waz"s perceived range should look strong to ALL but complete donks and nutters, agreed with the point that the 3bet p/f sizing maybe a tad small. OOP on AAA flop 2 callers in a 3bet squeezed pot, unless the opponents are complete idiots then OOP we stand to get very little value by betting 3 streets, OOP full stop just doesn"t make much cash in the long run, plus add in that Waz is in the blinds, hands up who has a tracker who has positive figures for the blinds? Stack off everytime OOP on this texture, REALLY?
have a look at this Waz, have a good long think.. if anything this guy will make u smile.. remember OOP and no reads equals lots of head scratching and bitching about how bad u are running etc etc blah blah... Nikachu talks about his theory on a leak of SSNL regs etc make - pre-flop aggression...
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TheSnapper:
Nice vid, really enjoyed it. His point is predicated on our equity versus the opponents likely 3b calling range. My experience at 20nl is that QQ+AK,AKs is way too tight a range to give them. You could certainly widen that range based simply on the premise that, you seldom run into optimal ranges at that level.
AdAh,AdAs,AhAs,KdKh,KdKs,KhKs,QQ-88,AhKh,AsKs,AQs,AcKd,AdKc,AhKc,AhKd,AsKc,AsKd,AsKh,AQo is more likely and we have 65% with QQ versus that range. I"ve only included half of the combo"s for AA,KK & AK since they"ll likely 4 bet those hands at least some of the time.
noble1:
I"ve had some rare time off to think what to reply in this thread :)
OOP = playing out of position is not healthy in general in cash games because simply we don"t have a lot of choices, its harder to extract value and of course we lose the ability of controlling the size of the pot. Try running a three-barrel bluff OOP lol whilst villain IP calls/flats us with the nuts, hells bells i"ve lost count of the amount of times i had to learn this the hard way lol, count the times the villain just calls flop and turn on certain textures with the nuts, afterall he has position and he has the choice to whether or not to close the action on the river, it helps also when we bet strong into him also lol. Likewise OOP on textures like this [AAA] what does our range look like to a semi-competent player when we barrel like monkeys? Our range is either nutted/strong or air, in reality we make ourselves easier to read. IMHO questions like how should we size our betting when IP or OOP should be asked, especially on board textures when there are very few combinations of nut hands. Betting has a consequence you know, it gives us info, why do so many ignore this? its like there brains turn off and they become fixated with getting paid off no matter what, for fcks sake, take a breath and think the hand through, use reads and a bit of logic and learn when to fold/give up sometimes even if you have a set+ etc :)..
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