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Hand from the team event.
pables:
I am loving this thread
Ty Brendan and Mark in particular
NEVER STOP learning FTW
Fatcatstu:
i just wish i had the feintest idea what they were on about Ian :)
TheSnapper:
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--- Quote from: Marty719 on October 28, 2011, 14:40:05 PM ---
What range can we profitably reshove here vs a 3% calling range?
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ATC has 25% equity and +930 cEV
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On reflection, thats kinda misleading. Problem is the ATC range includes AA,KK,AK and those hands pick up the slack in the equation for 72o for example. That said, 72o on its own has equity of 19.92% and is only negative by 203 chips.
The problem here is that from our perspective, we only ever need to evaluate EV for an exact hand, our decision, jam or fold, is never about a range of hands, we can only ever shove with two exact cards so to assess the spot based on a shoving range is flawed and futile.
So to answer correctly, you can profitably shove any hand other than 72o. I do however stand corrected Noble, that there are 3 players yet to act will drag a couple more hands into the negative EV bracket but quite revealing nonetheless.
TheSnapper:
The implications of "the surprises" revealed in this thread got me thinking of a poker dilemma I've often discussed but never really got anywhere with.
Is Phil Helmuth a great player, a good player on a heater or a fish on a heater?
We see a lot of PH hands and we often see, what appear to be and are widely criticised as, very flawed decisions. Yet! His results to date and especially recently are second to none. Why is that? Is it possible to play a truly flawed game over many many top end tournaments and succeed as PH's results suggest.
Early in this thread I suggested....
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If you consider that you have an edge over the field, which is hard to gauge and usually overstated, then you probably should take the lower variance option since your tourney life and stack equity have more value.
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Apologies for arrogantly quoting myself ;D ;D
Does PH get the balance just right, does he shun high variance and exploit his edge optimally?
Or
Is he a fish who runs good and gets paid handsomely with his big hands?
SirPercival:
The only people who should be entitled to call Phil Hellmuth a fish are those with a better record than him.
Great player IMO (also a very nice guy if you see past the showbiz image).
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