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samuel_9:
if i arived late and had jj i would ***** wossy my chips in to a wase and hoop he would call and trebel me up but thats jist me  myself and  ;)  rrrrrrrraaaaaaammmmmmbbbbbO me tinks me mad

pokerpops:

--- Quote from: david3103 on November 07, 2011, 14:43:00 PM ---
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UTG $9710 raises to 262 - his second raise of the tourney. HEM Says 63 hands, VPIP 10% Raised 5%
Me $7198 calls with  jd jc - I don"t know why I didn"t raise here. Possibly because the HEM stats slowed me down?
button and blinds fold

Pot 674
Flop  :2h: td kd

UTG checks
I check behind, again I don"t know why I did this. I gave UTG such a tight range for his raise UTG and yet, without the stats from the HUD I"d for sure be betting here. I"d bet it live without a strong live tell or knowledge

Turn  6d
again check check - I"m still paralysed by the fear that I"m going to get check raised or some such and loathing my life on a board that I really ought to be more than happy with

River  7h

UTG bets 674 - half pot...

I have to call don"t I?

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I called

and lost to his rivered two pair as he showed  6c 7c

Readless, that is, without the HEM stats I raise here 100% pre and c-bet the flop when checked to (if he calls pre)

as it was, all I could do was smile and make a note

AMRN:

--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 09:53:07 AM ---
I called

and lost to his rivered two pair as he showed  6c 7c

Readless, that is, without the HEM stats I raise here 100% pre and c-bet the flop when checked to (if he calls pre)

as it was, all I could do was smile and make a note

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Don"t be results oriented. Without knowing the result, this thread has pretty much agreed that you played it correctly preflop. The range of an UTG raiser includes so much that will 4-bet if you raise..... and with JJ against an unknown UTG 4-bet, calling or shoving would be way too -EV.... 

Ask yourself what you would have done if you raised and he 4-bet. If the answer is fold (which without reads, it probably should be), then flat calling was your best play.  

As for play on later streets, I"ve no problem with the passive line here as you"re unlikely to get much value from any hands  worse than JJ, but will always get called by the hands that beat you.

pokerpops:
I try not to be results oriented - I think I"m fine with the way I played it based on what I knew at the time

but I wish I"d known then what I now know  ;D


Oh and is having a range of 10 10 +, AJs+ to  3bet to 630ish with only the bottom end of that folding so bad? I"m 3bet calling/5betting with QQ+ AQs+ and  AK




disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above

PHIL_TC:

--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 11:32:09 AM ---
disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above

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Really?? based on last night.. massive lies  :-\ x

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