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JJ in late position
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on November 09, 2011, 12:23:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 11:32:09 AM ---
disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above
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Really?? based on last night.. massive lies :-\ x
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I only went to showdown 6 or 7 times all night Phil
2nd btw - lost to Sammy or whatever his name is (based on last night it should be ****ing luckbox)
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 12:28:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on November 09, 2011, 12:23:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 11:32:09 AM ---
disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above
--- End quote ---
Really?? based on last night.. massive lies :-\ x
--- End quote ---
I only went to showdown 6 or 7 times all night Phil
2nd btw - lost to Sammy or whatever his name is (based on last night it should be ****ing luckbox)
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WP mate, nice bink... pays for the flights to Vegas. Then press repeat over there and you can fly back. If you don"t then you"re stuck over there. Winner winner ;D x
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on November 09, 2011, 12:30:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 12:28:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on November 09, 2011, 12:23:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: david3103 on November 09, 2011, 11:32:09 AM ---
disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above
--- End quote ---
Really?? based on last night.. massive lies :-\ x
--- End quote ---
I only went to showdown 6 or 7 times all night Phil
2nd btw - lost to Sammy or whatever his name is (based on last night it should be ****ing luckbox)
--- End quote ---
WP mate, nice bink... pays for the flights to Vegas. Then press repeat over there and you can fly back. If you don"t then you"re stuck over there. Winner winner ;D x
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ohhhh I wish!
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: david3103 ---
Readless, that is, without the HEM stats I raise here 100% pre and c-bet the flop when checked to (if he calls pre)
as it was, all I could do was smile and make a note.
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but I wish I"d known then what I now know ;D
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You are missing lots If thats the extent of what you"ve learnt from the process.
Lets assume his utg opening range is.......
77+,AJs+,76s,AQo+.
With what hands will villain continue when you 3 bet?
You seem to be putting much emphasis on the fact that 67s was in his range but it really doesnt change your options at all. Especially so since I strongly suspect he will open fold that hand utg 80%-95% of the time anyway.
Had you 3 bet here villain would surely fold his weak hand and you would have won ~4 bb"s. This is good for villain hence bad for you.
pokerpops:
If I give him the range you ascribe without adding in the suited connectors I"m 55/45
if I add in suited connectors it gets even better for me but I have no idea which end of the range he"s raising with if I flat
If I raise and he folds the bottom half of his range ie calls with TT+ and AQs+ the position reverses but now I have a better idea of what to do as the hand plays out
Raising gives me a chance of winning the pot preflop. I have no problem with the thought that he folds a lot of hands to the 3bet, nor do I have issues with playing JJ in position post flop if he flats the raise.
I lose chips when I fold, win them when he folds, and if we calls and we see the flop I have better information on which to base my play.
My reason for posting this was mostly the issue of "knowing your opponent" - his stats were all I had and it played out as it did. With zero information on his UTG opening range I can"t imagine that flatting JJ is ever a good strategy.
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