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How not to play JJ??

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AMRN:
at the end of the day, the cards in this situation are almost irrelevant - he had position on you, and it was position that he beat you with.


I think the call preflop was ok to try and hit the set. the bet on the flop was good to find out where you were..... but the small re-raise should have given you the answer you needed.....

Calling the re-raise was the first mistake..... at this point you either commit your stack, or fold. It was clear that if you flat called, then checked the turn, he would bet - as it happened, this occured on the river.  When he re-raised you needed to make a decision to go for it and shove back over the top and take your chance, or go with your read that he had a bigger pair, fold, congratulate yourself on the chips you just saved, and wait for a better spot when you have position!

Roscopiko:
IMO It wasn"t just your position that lost you the pot it was your failure to define his hand at any stage. 

I"m not playing mid range holdings from the SB unless you are playing them either to limp and hit a big flop i.e. in this case trips at least not just unders or fast play them with a reraise and find out if he has you drawing thin already.

In this case, judging from the way he played the rest of the hand, if you"d raised you would probably of been re-reraised pre flop and had to release anyhow.

Once you have bet the flop and he has min raised I would be asking whether he can min raise there with anything big with the flush out? I"m reraising at that stage and fold if he can come over the top.

troubled joe:
Thanks for these most recent replies; just spotted them whilst browsing the forum. 

I think that, in retrospect and taking into account the views expressed, I"m happy with the flat call pre-flop.  It"s the flop where - as most of you point out - it all began to unravel.  Having decided to lead out, I have to work out whether his min-raise suggests weakness.  If I think it does then, like AMRN says, I have to commit to the pot there and then by pushing.  Otherwise, I give it up.

With hindsight though, I think I prefer a check-raise on the flop as some of you have suggested. Obviously this conveys more strength on my part and so forces him to define his hand (as per problem pointed out by johns).  Presumably, he folds, but if he can find the big move back over the top then fair play to him and I have to fold the best hand.  After the hand I remember him saying something about being worried that I"d flopped a set and I think the check-raise might have convinced him of that.

I like George"s idea of check-calling to keep the pot small and often play like this online, but I find it doesn"t get much respect and leads to aggressive oppponents putting you to increasingly difficult decisions on later streets.....and I"m not very good at difficult decisions.

Roscopiko:
Add this one for debate. Have I massively overplayed JJ here. Comments please

POKERSTARS GAME #18601976026: TOURNAMENT #94566291, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD"EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2008/07/05 - 14:06:08 (ET)
Table "94566291 1" 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Vexi (1455 in chips)
Seat 2: SEADEE (3120 in chips)
Seat 3: iguanarana (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: jno003 (750 in chips)
Seat 5: haarek (1645 in chips)
Seat 6: Mattoc (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: theodora#1 (2040 in chips)
Seat 8: Richmillion (205 in chips)
Seat 9: roscopiko (1400 in chips)
haarek: posts small blind 15
Mattoc: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to roscopiko [jd jc]
theodora#1: calls 30
Richmillion: folds
roscopiko: raises 90 to 120
Vexi: folds
SEADEE: folds
iguanarana: folds
jno003: folds
haarek: calls 105
Mattoc: folds
theodora#1: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [9h th 8d]
haarek: checks
theodora#1: bets 300
roscopiko: raises 980 to 1280 and is all-in
haarek: folds
theodora#1: calls 980
*** TURN *** [9h th 8d] [ts]
*** RIVER *** [9h th 8d ts] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
theodora#1: shows [tc td] (four of a kind, Tens)
roscopiko: shows [jd jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
theodora#1 collected 2950 from pot

Santino67:
Check/call on the flop would"ve been my suggestion as well George. I think it then puts a doubt in the other player"s mind as to whether or not you may have a monster, while at the same time keeping the pot small enough to get off the 3 hearts on the turn if UTG put a "call-me" bet in to the pot..

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