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playing a set out of position.
kinboshi:
I"m going to post a hand where I had a set OOP from the £300 @ DTD. It"s an interesting hand for a number of reasons and generated a fair amount of discussion. I need to remember the details first, but will post it on here rather than starting a new thread.
kinboshi:
Tournament: Live £300 MTT @ DTD. 151 runners. 45-minute clock, 10,000 starting stack.
Level: Third level, blinds 75/150
The tournament"s been running for about 2 hours, and my image is fairly tight. I know a few players at the table, and the table"s fairly chatty - and there"s much mirth about me being tighter than Des's wallet at the bar. This have given me the opportunity to play a few hands "differently", especially at the early levels with the blinds as small as they are.
For the purpose of this hand everyone has around the 10K starting stack, except for the player to the right of me who has won a large pot from the player to my left leaving them with 13K and 7K respectively. I have about 12K and am UTG.
I look down at the monster that is :3d: :3h:. I throw in a raise, and make it 500 to go. Again, some comments around the table that I must have soooted aces to be playing from UTG.
UTG+1 is an older fella, a regular at DTD who I have played with a fair bit. I"d describe him as loose and not very good. I love to have him on my cash game table, as he loves to gamble and will commit without a great deal. He plays tournaments the same way.
He calls (and I"m not surprised).
It"s folded all the way round the table to the BB. He"s a young internet player. He wins a lot online, I know this because he"s told me so, repeatedly.
He calls.
Flop comes down:
kh 9c :3c:
The BB checks.
I"ve flopped my set, and I"m happy to see the king there as well, hoping that someone is playing AK or KQ or similar. Two clubs on the board, and vague straight draws, but pretty much an ideal flop for me.
I bet 1,200.
UTG+1 raises to 3,000.
BB calls.
What do I do now?
I put one of them on the flush draw and the other on at least a pair. The older gent now has about 3.5K back, and looks likes he"s happy to commit with his hand. The BB knows this and flat calls.
What should I be thinking now, and how would you play it (or how would you have played it differently up to now)?
Swinebag:
This is played at a buyin, well above my level so am pretty inexperienced here, but I"ll have a go.
This is a tough spot and you must be thinking set over set.
Because of your tight image, people may be thinking that you can be taken off pots, even though you"ve raised UTG and led out. But the real problem is you are OOP and dont have a clue what you are up against, but the sequence of betting probably means you are up against a monster or a pair of monsters.
monsters you are beating
1. AA - It is possible that UTG + 1 may play this slowly thinking that you have a good hand as well and may keep betting into him. Its an unlikely holding for the BB though because he would surely raise preflop.
2. AKo - This is a more likely holding for the BB rather than UTG + 1 but he would probably 3 bet here pre flop (would he?)
3. 2 pair - would UTG + 1 call with K9??, BB may be the type to feel priced in and could possibly call with any of the 2 pair options, but overall 2 pair has to be furthest from your thoughts here
4. The FD - not really a monster (unless its ac kc), but as you say a strong possibility. I"d have expected a shove from UTG + 1 if he had this, though he could be thinking he is betting for value if he had the ac kc option.
monsters you are losing too
KK or 99 - KK is a possible holding for UTG + 1 but probably not the BB, whilst 99 is a strong possibility for either player, given the betting and stacks.
I actually wrote this next bit first before I wrote the stuff above it......
I"d probably shove em in here (not saying that is correct by a long way - its just what I"d do if I had this action
but having had this action and really thought about it, I"m tending to a fold for the simple reason that you have only committed 1700 and still have your starting stack to play with.
Coupled with the fact that you are probably up against at least 1, if not 2 monsters, the most likely being (given the betting) that you are crushed by a bigger set or a pot committed FD that could crush you.
Having said all that, and the fact that i"ve been thinking about this for 30 minutes, I"d still shove em in dreaming of a treble up and at least being able to say I was unlucky if i get set over set.
Eck:
More interested in what your plan was when you get the inevitable 2/3 callers and the flop comes with no 3 to be honest.
As played i ship the lot in right now if someone has 9h 9d , ks kc well ggnh etc but if i"m playing threes utg then no way im doing anything else here. Please don"t tell me you did anything else with c9k in the pot and 9k behind get it in and run good imo.
Laxie:
I"m throwing the lot in on the flop too. I"d be surprised if either of them has a bigger set, but if they do...fair play, good game.
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