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playing a set out of position.
LongshanksED:
i dont like small pocket pairs in early position and generally limp 50% off the time at a full table if i have a decent read on the other players, if i have a raise and a call or 2 i"ll then usually fold them pre flop
as you played it i"d have bet the same post flop and then shoved when its came back around to me but would be worried about the 99 - not so much of the KK as i"d imagine that would"ve ben re raised
kinboshi:
TopPair2Pair:
--- Quote ---comments around the table that I must have soooted aces to be playing from UTG.
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hahaha!!!!
--- Quote ---This is played at a buyin, well above my level so am pretty inexperienced here, but I"ll have a go.
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snap, half the buyin and then snap again!
Anyway, everything seems fine to me right up until the BB call, the 33 raise given your image is great in imo, with that image I am happy with the pfr and the lead bet.
The BB call is where i would be concerned. I fear not the ol boy. We want the ol boys raise here and then a squeezey reraise from the internet player. Then i think we have an easier decision to make.
The call is either a lovely bluff call of strength or genuinely BB thinks he has us beat at this stage. Given that his an internet player and can probably scare a few ppl off with the call, i flat call and scare him back showing my armpits! Then look for a better reason to commit or get away dependant on the turn
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on December 17, 2008, 10:58:30 AM ---
This is played at a buyin, well above my level so am pretty inexperienced here, but I"ll have a go.
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You"re more than good enough to play in this. The skill level (on the few tables I played on, and from what I"ve seen doing updates on these in the past) on the whole isn"t higher than the APAT events. There are some better players for sure, but there are a lot of poor players too.
--- Quote ---This is a tough spot and you must be thinking set over set.
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Wasn"t worried about a set to he honest. KK re-raises me pre, and if he"s got 99, then so be it. I thought I was definitely ahead on the flop.
--- Quote ---Because of your tight image, people may be thinking that you can be taken off pots, even though you"ve raised UTG and led out. But the real problem is you are OOP and dont have a clue what you are up against, but the sequence of betting probably means you are up against a monster or a pair of monsters.
monsters you are beating
1. AA - It is possible that UTG + 1 may play this slowly thinking that you have a good hand as well and may keep betting into him. Its an unlikely holding for the BB though because he would surely raise preflop.
2. AKo - This is a more likely holding for the BB rather than UTG + 1 but he would probably 3 bet here pre flop (would he?)
3. 2 pair - would UTG + 1 call with K9??, BB may be the type to feel priced in and could possibly call with any of the 2 pair options, but overall 2 pair has to be furthest from your thoughts here
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I thought that one of them could definitely have two pair here. Which would be K9 as any other holding is unlikely.
--- Quote ---4. The FD - not really a monster (unless its ac kc), but as you say a strong possibility. I"d have expected a shove from UTG + 1 if he had this, though he could be thinking he is betting for value if he had the ac kc option.
monsters you are losing too
KK or 99 - KK is a possible holding for UTG + 1 but probably not the BB, whilst 99 is a strong possibility for either player, given the betting and stacks.
I actually wrote this next bit first before I wrote the stuff above it......
I"d probably shove em in here (not saying that is correct by a long way - its just what I"d do if I had this action
but having had this action and really thought about it, I"m tending to a fold for the simple reason that you have only committed 1700 and still have your starting stack to play with.
Coupled with the fact that you are probably up against at least 1, if not 2 monsters, the most likely being (given the betting) that you are crushed by a bigger set or a pot committed FD that could crush you.
Having said all that, and the fact that i"ve been thinking about this for 30 minutes, I"d still shove em in dreaming of a treble up and at least being able to say I was unlucky if i get set over set.
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kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Toppietwo on December 17, 2008, 12:08:49 PM ---
--- Quote ---comments around the table that I must have soooted aces to be playing from UTG.
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hahaha!!!!
--- Quote ---This is played at a buyin, well above my level so am pretty inexperienced here, but I"ll have a go.
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snap, half the buyin and then snap again!
Anyway, everything seems fine to me right up until the BB call, the 33 raise given your image is great in imo, with that image I am happy with the pfr and the lead bet.
The BB call is where i would be concerned. I fear not the ol boy. We want the ol boys raise here and then a squeezey reraise from the internet player. Then i think we have an easier decision to make.
The call is either a lovely bluff call of strength or genuinely BB thinks he has us beat at this stage. Given that his an internet player and can probably scare a few ppl off with the call, i flat call and scare him back showing my armpits! Then look for a better reason to commit or get away dependant on the turn
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Very, very close to my thinking in this hand. In fact, are we related?
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